getting kicked from end game pfs as soon as I join?

[Sylvina]

Says the person who came into a raid centric discord, dismissed virtually every bit of criticism, whined endlessly about how toxic people were and clearly learned nothing. Yes, indeed, someone needs a reality check. You're simply mistaken as to whom.

And found said discord to be full of children and childish raiders who I have no desire to associate with. I'm an adult with somewhat of a real life and a SOME semblance of perspective. I got COMPLETELY "destroyed" in your pathetic discord for a tiny mistake, which I apologized for afterwards, and your idea that I shot down all "advice" is stupid. Have fun with the kids your age.

Furthermore, the idea that I am wrong that people with a brain and some sense of self in regard to their performance in game dont want to be carried is ridiculous. if people want to be carried it obviously means they don't have at least one of those things.

[Alucard135]

Fun fact, NOBODY with a brain wants to be carried. people try their hardest to improve. respect that, or stay in your little bubble of hate and childish ideas. People don't get better without practice kid. think about that next time you're about to hate on your fellow players.

Some DO WANT to be carried. I wanted to help a Shinryu EX clear party and a tank joined and literally said "This is my first time doing this. Is it OK if I joined?". At least they were decent to let the party know before they trap us. And of course you also have the ones that join HW unsync EX trials that didn't even bother to watch a guide or get some little understanding of the mechanics.

[Sylvina]

Some DO WANT to be carried. I wanted to help a Shinryu EX clear party and a tank joined and literally said "This is my first time doing this. Is it OK if I joined?". At least they were decent to let the party know before they trap us. And of course you also have the ones that join HW unsync EX trials that didn't even bother to watch a guide or get some little understanding of the mechanics.

I didn't say NOBODY wants to be carried period. also can you please point out where in the tanks message he said he wanted to be carried? I must be blind since all I see is "This is my first time". if its not ok for him to join you coulda just politely told him no, since it was a clear party.

[HyoMinPark]

And found said discord to be full of children and childish raiders who I have no desire to associate with. I'm an adult with somewhat of a real life and a SOME semblance of perspective. I got COMPLETELY "destroyed" in your pathetic discord for a tiny mistake, which I apologized for afterwards, and your idea that I shot down all "advice" is stupid. Have fun with the kids your age.

There was arguably one individual who could be considered as having gone too far in the situation you are referencing, and that was only after you dismissed any and all of the legitimate advice that he and the others in that discord were giving you. Some people don’t appreciate the advice they’re giving to be completely dismissed with “I know my rotation” and “I’m not a bad player and I won’t have you calling me bad”.

The encounters that were brought up in that discussion all had minute things that could have been improved on, and accepting that you had made rotational errors—even though they were small and honestly quite few—would have been far more graceful than accusing everyone in that channel of calling you a bad player. Everyone makes mistakes, and pointing them out and pointing out that you have made them is not the same as someone calling you bad.

Don’t try to misconstrue what happened in that channel to fit your “tOxIc rAiDeRs” argument. Criticism is not toxicity. Despite how many disagreements I’ve had with you on here, I still attempted to address some of your concerns in a polite manner, and most of the things I said were dismissed by you. The only reason any hostility started being directed towards you was because you started calling the raiders in there names.

[Ilan]

Fun fact, NOBODY with a brain wants to be carried. people try their hardest to improve. respect that, or stay in your little bubble of hate and childish ideas. People don't get better without practice kid. think about that next time you're about to hate on your fellow players.

Oh you call me kid? No arguments only insults, seems to be pretty mature of you. You seem to have a lot of hate inside you if you can't even remotly discuss in a propper manor. There is a difference between people who need practice and people who did over 50 runs in something and still do bad, aka the people who let others carry them.

[Melichoir]

And found said discord to be full of children and childish raiders who I have no desire to associate with. I'm an adult with somewhat of a real life and a SOME semblance of perspective.

From my experience on being on the web for a while, if you have to sit here and call people children, say things that infer people are just "kids", talk about how adult you are...youre not likely to be all that mature, regardless of your physical age.

If youre an adult, you dont have to explain why youre an adult while denigrating your detractors as children.

Just sayin'.

[Alucard135]

I didn't say NOBODY wants to be carried period. also can you please point out where in the tanks message he said he wanted to be carried? I must be blind since all I see is "This is my first time". if its not ok for him to join you coulda just politely told him no, since it was a clear party.

And when I said some DO WANT, I was referring to the set you mentioned. And in that set, some do join with the intent of being carried and they don't have to explicitly state that (doesn't make them brainless). And you'll see a lot of them in unsynced clear parties and older content of the current expansion. They join hoping that their lack of understanding of the fight mechanics wouldn't hold the team down too much and that the team will put the needed work clear the content.

As for the tank I mentioned, we did kick him out. He didn't have to explicitly ask to be carried, as I stated. But he did try to join a fight with 0 knowledge about its mechanics and hoping to get a clear while making the rest of the party do the majority of the work and more to fix any mistakes he does.

What "I" consider to be carrying is when you let the rest of the team do more work to cover up for your mistakes, lack of understanding of fight mechanics or your class. E.g. when you're a DPS class and your DPS is lower than a tank's DPS in endgame content. Doesn't matter if you're doing it intentionally or not. You're being carried in that scenario.

[Vstarstruck]

I didn't say NOBODY wants to be carried period..

eh?

Fun fact, NOBODY with a brain wants to be carried.

plenty of people put no effort in playing this game, expect you to carry then, toss out the you do not pay for my sub meme and so on.

Also why are you bringing up this drama on discord for? Someone that is a true adult would not be insulting people at all. A Mature adult would lay down the facts, and comment on the situation only. You made a mistake on that discord from the sound of things coming from you and others, stop making a second one. An adult also learns from her mistakes, not repeating them like you are currently.

[Stormfur]

The polite and mature thing to do in any party is to:
1) See what it's for. Usually they'll say "practice" at "whatever stage" or clear or farm.
2) Judge your own skill by how well you know those phases.

That's it. I think it is completely acceptable to go into a clear party if you've successfully gotten to enrage several times AND been close enough to clearing that with just a tad more DPS you could do it. There are lots of players who clear it once then think they can farm, and I think that's where a lot of issues happen. You're very likely NOT going to be perfect at it on your second clear try.

[Videra]

ITT: People getting mad about an objectively useful tool because, "parsing toxic", and also people arguing that it's comparable to doxxing.

To cut a long story short and get to the point from where the argument started, no. Do not hide your logs. It exacerbates the issue. As far as the OP goes, they have a few decent logs that show signs of improvement. It shows that they want to get better, so - you go, person. Just keep on truckin'.