getting kicked from end game pfs as soon as I join?

[Melichoir]

Yes but how often is advice actually given.

I actually dont think this is true. Ive seen advise given quite often. Its just not often taken in reality. You have to consider this from a basic standpoint: If youre in a group with someone, it is assumed broadly that you both share the same goal. You know, complete some content. If you witness someone in your group not performing well, you can do 1 of two things broadly: Not say anything, or try say something in an attempt to address an issue you see. Pragmatically so you have the best chance at success, its better to offer up something that actually corrects the issue. While there are people who do use the "God you suck, Git Gud scrub" mentality, most players dont go this route out the door. Simply because saying that is almost guaranteed to piss the other person off, you arent addressing any real issue that they can work with, and its more likely to ultimately shaft your group dynamics resulting in you failing to get something done. So its better to say some piece of advice.

The trouble I see more frequently is how that advice is taken. People dont like to consider themselves bad at things, or that theyre doing things wrong. They usually like to think "Hey, Im good at this. Screw this guy." Its a bias people typically have for themselves. Human nature and all. So advice is often seen as criticism, from my experiences. Which sours people, and then things go sideways.

Back to my WoW analogy the guild that tossed me out of their raid just told me to get good, learn to play. Albeit politely, there was no advice in that.

So I left, and then I found tips on an unrelated discord chat the next day...

So I did get better... but it was not from any advice by the people who would have been making a claim that I need to listen to advice...

To be frank, you had a bad WoW group. I do know there are players who are of the mindset of "Learn it yourself, youll be better for it." But I dont share that opinion. Being encouraged to ask questions, especially from people who know the subject matter, is more expedient than being told "Git Gud," and "Go look it up." It really comes across as stupid because if a person has knowledge on how you can improve, but is refusing to share it, their advice then becomes nothing more than criticism and sneering. And to be clear, I dont mean people who give you an overview of what youre doing wrong and then rpovide you with direction to delve deeper. Im specifically talking about people who say "You need to get better. Do X." but then when you ask them about it in depth, they tell you to go read a guide. If they know the material but arent willing to help you when you show interest in being better, thats more on them.

[Dirwen]

Until your escapism clashes with someone else's, by making them work extra for both themselves and you.

No one pays your sub, but don't forget you don't pay sub for the rest of the party.

I would agree if some people weren't so salty about everything when it comes to pick up. When playing with randoms don't come in with high expectations. Always found it odd about the people joining a pug and expect a good/perfect run every time is all.

[HyoMinPark]

I would agree if some people weren't so salty about everything when it comes to pick up. When playing with randoms don't come in with high expectations. Always found it odd about the people joining a pug and expect a good/perfect run every time is all.

There's nothing wrong with expecting a semblance of competence in high-end parties. Even in PUGs.

[Dirwen]

There's nothing wrong with expecting a semblance of competence in high-end parties. Even in PUGs.

Guess I always expect the worse in people might be the problem. Makes it easier for me to deal and let it go when stuff hits the fan. Surprised you expect competence from strangers online when I can't even trust people IRL to do their job well.

[KaivaC]

If anyone asks me to purvey them a Log and I get kicked, I will report them. By then, it's out of my hands and into the Devs.

So...allow me to take this to a logical thought. Were I to start thinking like this, if I were still seeking a static at this time in a PF and got rejected and then kicked because what they say weren't up to their standards, reporting them is the next best step and then letting the devs handle it from there? Is that pretty much the gist of what you're saying? Just wanna make sure I got that right before I actually finish up my response.

I would agree if some people weren't so salty about everything when it comes to pick up. When playing with randoms don't come in with high expectations. Always found it odd about the people joining a pug and expect a good/perfect run every time is all.

When it's raid night and a random tank fills in for a weekly on O10S, and that tank can't even be bothered to mitigate the tank busters, or switch when necessary after three runs...

When a DPS fills in and they repeatedly die to the fireballs or don't even pass the Arcane Bulwark when they get the orange marker, or drop an ice marker right in the party stack when Ahk Morn is about to come out...

...or someone coming in that can't handle the very first Flamethrower or is constantly failing the first Larboard/Starboard, when our PF clearly says Panko 1 prog...

But yeah, it's a surprise to expect competence...

[Melichoir]

Guess I always expect the worse in people might be the problem. Makes it easier for me to deal and let it go when stuff hits the fan. Surprised you expect competence from strangers online when I can't even trust people IRL to do their job well.

People expect that if youre joining a party that ISNT a learning party to know the content and how to play the class. This isnt just for Savage, its for everything. If youre new to tanking, asking people who MT and what not for advice and feedback is on you. If you dont know how to tank and join a group looking to clear and you hose things up for them, thats on you. If you want to participate in higher level content, be expected to be held to a higher standard. If youre just looking to face roll stuff and not care, there's plenty of content in the game for that. This shouldnt be shocking or unexpected to anyone who has actual consideration for other people.

People dont want to spend hours wiping because people cant be bothered to try and play their class right or do the mechanics right. It's the groups time too, so if players are just screwing things up out of ego or pride, those player's are being selfish.

If anyone asks me to purvey them a Log and I get kicked, I will report them. By then, it's out of my hands and into the Devs.

I get the strong feeling that most statics wouldnt even bother asking for a Parse from you. Theyd get the vibe that youre just not fun to play with. Which is a note to everyone: You may be 99th percentile of your class, but if youre a complete Jerk, most statics wont take you. While people have goals and want to accomplish things, this is still a game, and that means people will only want to do that kidn of content that they can get a long with. Statics will take someone in their 50s and 60s that mesh really well with the group over someone in the 90s who irritates, and frustrates everyone in the group.

[Ilan]

Asking someone to upload will not get you reported and your a ps4 player so you can't get in trouble for it.

Rule #1 never admit that you use a parser because there are people who just wait for an opportunity to report you for that.

You can only toggle rankings visibility and sidebar visibility. Neither of those hide your character name from other people.

Hiding sidebar visibility doesn't seem to do anything noticable, the site doesn't even explain what that option does. Hiding rankings slaps a giant "this person wanted to hide his logs" text on on your character page. That's seemingly made on purpose so that people don't ever want to hide their logs in fear of getting ridiculated and are forced to keep their information in there. If there's something I'd change in the site, I'd give users an option to 1. Make others unable to find your character name in search. 2. Make your character page empty without big "I'm a scrub text". 3. Flag your character as a ps4 user.

It is possible, don't say it isn't because there are enough ANONYMUS people in there. You just can't do it yourself as far as i know.

[Bourne_Endeavor]

gonna be honest not sure how that defeats my point when the very first line of your quote says those things can be considered personal data. and as personal data would fall subject to privacy laws and GDPR.

This is why so many websites now throw cookie policies in your face when you visit them and won't even let you continue browsing the site untill you have accepted them or set your privacy preferences.

Can being the operative word. It implies subjectivity whereas you're attempting to argue an absolute. The quote even further elaborates by suggesting your account handles could be tied to personal information, i.e., you post it on your Facebook. It never implies an absolution, which is what you've been doing.

It's not that they're considered private or sensitive. it's that they're considered personal data. my game name being public information doesnt mean its not personal information. as stated in my previous post.

also as stated earlier. you give SE consent to use hold that information when you accept it's Terms and conditions. That consent however does not carry over to FFLOGS or any other third party which is why I like many others have said fflogs should be "Opt In" not Opt Out. because I haven't given fflogs explicit consent to hold data on me or my online id (character). and I doubt SE has actually given explicit consent either (espeically so given there official stance on parsers and third party tools)

You provide consent to SE for your personal information. In-game features or data do not count under that umbrella nor do you own said information. If FFlogs were somehow able to replicate your actual name, address, email and etc, then you'd have an argument. As it does nothing of the sort, putting your name in what is essentially a statistical database is no different than if I made an excel spreadsheet of forum posters. I do not require your permission to do so nor am I obligated to remove your name should you ask.

[Canadane]

I'm kind of ambivalent about FFlogs anyway. On one hand, I can understand why someone running savage-level raids would want to know the general skills of the players in their party. For PF though it seems kind of like overkill.

On the other hand, that's MY data that I didn't give anyone permission to use. I don't like that just a facet of your performance can be ripped out of your hands like that and uploaded for the world to see without you having any say in it.

If it were a solo duty, perhaps.
But this is a team effort! Everyone puts in. It isn't just your data, it belongs to the party you were with and every member in that instance has every right to look over the battle logs.

That being said, a lot of people here seem to think everyone is going to check parses first and everyone denies others for low numbers.
Take it from me, who's not exactly doing well this tier, lol. Nobody cares. I pug it up every week. Get my clears, move on with my day. Everyone's happy.

[Dirwen]

Feels like privacy is a thing of the past these days. Pretty sure some people will feel very uncomfortable being spied on even if they got nothing to hide. It's rude after all but the concept of ethics is skewed online with people hiding behind their keyboards.