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  1. #111
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    Quote Originally Posted by Makeda View Post
    How hard is it for a player that has finally improved to be accepted if their bad past performance is still up there?
    It's all very circumstantial. What are you looking to get accepted in to? Something like the first guild in your example, or the second? An average player looking for an average group shouldn't really have much issue, and vice versa. Like, my group may be a bit above average, but not enough to be able to easily recruit a consistently orange player. Of course there are outliers on both sides, like a high-end group giving an average person a chance or a high-end player wanting to take a step back to be in a more casual group. But like someone else pointed out, most players want to raid with people are at least equally skilled as they are. Once you are at this point it's not so much a question of acceptance in general, but rather your ability to target a specific group you want to be a part of and have success.
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  2. #112
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    Dzian's Avatar
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    Scarlett Dzian
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bourne_Endeavor View Post
    You just defeated your own argument.
    gonna be honest not sure how that defeats my point when the very first line of your quote says those things can be considered personal data. and as personal data would fall subject to privacy laws and GDPR.

    This is why so many websites now throw cookie policies in your face when you visit them and won't even let you continue browsing the site untill you have accepted them or set your privacy preferences.

    Quote Originally Posted by Bourne_Endeavor View Post
    Regardless, this remains public information. If our usernames were considered private or sensitive information, it wouldn't be displayed where anyone can find it with a simple google search.
    It's not that they're considered private or sensitive. it's that they're considered personal data. my game name being public information doesnt mean its not personal information. as stated in my previous post.

    also as stated earlier. you give SE consent to use hold that information when you accept it's Terms and conditions. That consent however does not carry over to FFLOGS or any other third party which is why I like many others have said fflogs should be "Opt In" not Opt Out. because I haven't given fflogs explicit consent to hold data on me or my online id (character). and I doubt SE has actually given explicit consent either (espeically so given there official stance on parsers and third party tools)
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    Last edited by Dzian; 12-01-2018 at 06:46 AM.

  3. #113
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    OpalValentine's Avatar
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    Opal Valentine
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    Midgardsormr
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    Quote Originally Posted by HyoMinPark View Post
    Arduous words to adhere.
    This is how I respond:

    LMFBO!!

    However you take this will be to your interpretation.

    I'll stick to what I know and you stick to your beliefs.

    Have a wonderful day.
    (0)
    "Sense is no longer common. The wise is silent; the fool is heard from distance."

  4. #114
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    Opal Valentine
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    Midgardsormr
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dzian View Post
    gonna be honest not sure how that defeats my point when the very first line of your quote says those things can be considered personal data. and as personal data would fall subject to privacy laws and GDPR.

    This is why so many websites now throw cookie policies in your face when you visit them and won't even let you continue browsing the site untill you have accepted them or set your privacy preferences.

    It's not that they're considered private or sensitive. it's that they're considered personal data. my game name being public information doesnt mean its not personal information. as stated in my previous post.

    also as stated earlier. you give SE consent to use hold that information when you accept it's Terms and conditions. That consent however does not carry over to FFLOGS or any other third party which is why I like many others have said fflogs should be "Opt In" not Opt Out. because I haven't given fflogs explicit consent to hold data on me or my online id (character). and I doubt SE has actually given explicit consent either (espeically so given there official stance on parsers and third party tools)

    It's a third party Parser, which is against SE's Terms of Service. If they wish to use it, let them.

    If anyone asks me to purvey them a Log and I get kicked, I will report them. By then, it's out of my hands and into the Devs.

    Let these guys win the argument and take your wisdom to where it's truly needed: in the game.

    Regardless, you're right on the money on everything you said.
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    "Sense is no longer common. The wise is silent; the fool is heard from distance."

  5. #115
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    HyoMinPark's Avatar
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    Hyomin Park
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    Quote Originally Posted by OpalValentine View Post
    This is how I respond:

    LMFBO!!
    Nice rebuttal. 10/10

    Quote Originally Posted by OpalValentine View Post
    However you take this will be to your interpretation.
    My interpretation is that, if you had an argument, you would respond with something a bit more eloquent than “LMFBO”.

    Quote Originally Posted by OpalValentine View Post
    I'll stick to what I know and you stick to your beliefs.

    Have a wonderful day.
    K.
    (8)
    Sage | Astrologian | Dancer

    마지막 날 널 찾아가면
    마지막 밤 기억하길

    Hyomin Park#0055

  6. #116
    Player MoroMurasaki's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by OpalValentine View Post
    This is how I respond:

    LMFBO!!

    However you take this will be to your interpretation.

    I'll stick to what I know and you stick to your beliefs.

    Have a wonderful day.
    You stick to your completely illegitimate unproven theories with no statistics to back them up and the rest of us can stick to reality.

    Everyone wins until you get partied with anyone who cares about performance.
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  7. #117
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    Dirwen's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by MoroMurasaki View Post
    You stick to your completely illegitimate unproven theories with no statistics to back them up and the rest of us can stick to reality.
    I don't know about everyone else but I play this game to escape reality.
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  8. #118
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    Lilila Lila
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    ITT: Parsing people is doxing them.
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  9. #119
    Player MoroMurasaki's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dirwen View Post
    I don't know about everyone else but I play this game to escape reality.
    Apparently you aren't alone in that.
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  10. #120
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    Kaynneth Menad
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    Zodiark
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dirwen View Post
    I don't know about everyone else but I play this game to escape reality.
    Until your escapism clashes with someone else's, by making them work extra for both themselves and you.

    No one pays your sub, but don't forget you don't pay sub for the rest of the party.
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