getting kicked from end game pfs as soon as I join?

[Dzian]

You just defeated your own argument.

gonna be honest not sure how that defeats my point when the very first line of your quote says those things can be considered personal data. and as personal data would fall subject to privacy laws and GDPR.

This is why so many websites now throw cookie policies in your face when you visit them and won't even let you continue browsing the site untill you have accepted them or set your privacy preferences.

Regardless, this remains public information. If our usernames were considered private or sensitive information, it wouldn't be displayed where anyone can find it with a simple google search.

It's not that they're considered private or sensitive. it's that they're considered personal data. my game name being public information doesnt mean its not personal information. as stated in my previous post.

also as stated earlier. you give SE consent to use hold that information when you accept it's Terms and conditions. That consent however does not carry over to FFLOGS or any other third party which is why I like many others have said fflogs should be "Opt In" not Opt Out. because I haven't given fflogs explicit consent to hold data on me or my online id (character). and I doubt SE has actually given explicit consent either (espeically so given there official stance on parsers and third party tools)

[OpalValentine]

gonna be honest not sure how that defeats my point when the very first line of your quote says those things can be considered personal data. and as personal data would fall subject to privacy laws and GDPR.

This is why so many websites now throw cookie policies in your face when you visit them and won't even let you continue browsing the site untill you have accepted them or set your privacy preferences.

It's not that they're considered private or sensitive. it's that they're considered personal data. my game name being public information doesnt mean its not personal information. as stated in my previous post.

also as stated earlier. you give SE consent to use hold that information when you accept it's Terms and conditions. That consent however does not carry over to FFLOGS or any other third party which is why I like many others have said fflogs should be "Opt In" not Opt Out. because I haven't given fflogs explicit consent to hold data on me or my online id (character). and I doubt SE has actually given explicit consent either (espeically so given there official stance on parsers and third party tools)

It's a third party Parser, which is against SE's Terms of Service. If they wish to use it, let them.

If anyone asks me to purvey them a Log and I get kicked, I will report them. By then, it's out of my hands and into the Devs.

Let these guys win the argument and take your wisdom to where it's truly needed: in the game.

Regardless, you're right on the money on everything you said.

[KaivaC]

If anyone asks me to purvey them a Log and I get kicked, I will report them. By then, it's out of my hands and into the Devs.

So...allow me to take this to a logical thought. Were I to start thinking like this, if I were still seeking a static at this time in a PF and got rejected and then kicked because what they say weren't up to their standards, reporting them is the next best step and then letting the devs handle it from there? Is that pretty much the gist of what you're saying? Just wanna make sure I got that right before I actually finish up my response.

I would agree if some people weren't so salty about everything when it comes to pick up. When playing with randoms don't come in with high expectations. Always found it odd about the people joining a pug and expect a good/perfect run every time is all.

When it's raid night and a random tank fills in for a weekly on O10S, and that tank can't even be bothered to mitigate the tank busters, or switch when necessary after three runs...

When a DPS fills in and they repeatedly die to the fireballs or don't even pass the Arcane Bulwark when they get the orange marker, or drop an ice marker right in the party stack when Ahk Morn is about to come out...

...or someone coming in that can't handle the very first Flamethrower or is constantly failing the first Larboard/Starboard, when our PF clearly says Panko 1 prog...

But yeah, it's a surprise to expect competence...

[Bourne_Endeavor]

gonna be honest not sure how that defeats my point when the very first line of your quote says those things can be considered personal data. and as personal data would fall subject to privacy laws and GDPR.

This is why so many websites now throw cookie policies in your face when you visit them and won't even let you continue browsing the site untill you have accepted them or set your privacy preferences.

Can being the operative word. It implies subjectivity whereas you're attempting to argue an absolute. The quote even further elaborates by suggesting your account handles could be tied to personal information, i.e., you post it on your Facebook. It never implies an absolution, which is what you've been doing.

It's not that they're considered private or sensitive. it's that they're considered personal data. my game name being public information doesnt mean its not personal information. as stated in my previous post.

also as stated earlier. you give SE consent to use hold that information when you accept it's Terms and conditions. That consent however does not carry over to FFLOGS or any other third party which is why I like many others have said fflogs should be "Opt In" not Opt Out. because I haven't given fflogs explicit consent to hold data on me or my online id (character). and I doubt SE has actually given explicit consent either (espeically so given there official stance on parsers and third party tools)

You provide consent to SE for your personal information. In-game features or data do not count under that umbrella nor do you own said information. If FFlogs were somehow able to replicate your actual name, address, email and etc, then you'd have an argument. As it does nothing of the sort, putting your name in what is essentially a statistical database is no different than if I made an excel spreadsheet of forum posters. I do not require your permission to do so nor am I obligated to remove your name should you ask.

[SekkerOfTrust]

Can being the operative word. It implies subjectivity whereas you're attempting to argue an absolute. The quote even further elaborates by suggesting your account handles could be tied to personal information, i.e., you post it on your Facebook. It never implies an absolution, which is what you've been doing.



You provide consent to SE for your personal information. In-game features or data do not count under that umbrella nor do you own said information. If FFlogs were somehow able to replicate your actual name, address, email and etc, then you'd have an argument. As it does nothing of the sort, putting your name in what is essentially a statistical database is no different than if I made an excel spreadsheet of forum posters. I do not require your permission to do so nor am I obligated to remove your name should you ask.

You dont require his permission till he goes to authorities, demand you and/or the company then you will see what happen. SE can use the information but you as a player CANT use other player data nor to say a website that isnt SE related.

[Jojoya]

You dont require his permission till he goes to authorities, demand you and/or the company then you will see what happen. SE can use the information but you as a player CANT use other player data nor to say a website that isnt SE related.

I would be amused to see the reaction of the courts if someone tried to take legal action over it. It's not personal data protected by law.

[Bourne_Endeavor]

You dont require his permission till he goes to authorities, demand you and/or the company then you will see what happen. SE can use the information but you as a player CANT use other player data nor to say a website that isnt SE related.

Please, take me to court over an Excel spreadsheet having your username from a video game on it. I never realized Excel constituted owning a private company.

[SekkerOfTrust]

Please, take me to court over an Excel spreadsheet having your username from a video game on it. I never realized Excel constituted owning a private company.

Whit the company i was referring to fflogs, its a lucrative organization (unipersonal or in a for of company) that get revenue from putting publicity on his website trading of information from a game from witch dont have any authorization or right to do. I dont know in which country you live or so but in most countries of Europe that is prohibited.
Why do you think SE bann people when get reported from using third party software? If you use a bit your brain you will know its to reduce the risk of justice problems.

I just tell you what it is, i dont care of that website and if I im there and my logs are green, blue or multicolor.

[HyoMinPark]

Whit the company i was referring to fflogs, its a lucrative organization (unipersonal or in a for of company) that get revenue from putting publicity on his website trading of information from a game from witch dont have any authorization or right to do. I dont know in which country you live or so but in most countries of Europe that is prohibited.
Why do you think SE bann people when get reported from using third party software? If you use a bit your brain you will know its to reduce the risk of justice problems.

I just tell you what it is, i dont care of that website and if I im there and my logs are green, blue or multicolor.

The caveat here is that the EU is not the world. There are other countries that have different laws and different things that are prohibited and not prohibited. Trying to enact EU law on a site that isn’t based in the EU won’t get you very far.

The only individuals that have any right to enact any sort of legal action on FFLogs (which is not a company, FYI) is Square Enix. They own everything in this game: your character, your account, even your forum handle and your character’s name. Considering they have not taken any action, I don’t think it’s something high on their list of priorities, nor do they consider it a threat to privacy.

FFLogs pulls all the information on your character (name, server, guild if applicable) from the Lodestone anyways. Which SE has publically published. There are no privacy violations here.

[Bourne_Endeavor]

Whit the company i was referring to fflogs, its a lucrative organization (unipersonal or in a for of company) that get revenue from putting publicity on his website trading of information from a game from witch dont have any authorization or right to do. I dont know in which country you live or so but in most countries of Europe that is prohibited.
Why do you think SE bann people when get reported from using third party software? If you use a bit your brain you will know its to reduce the risk of justice problems.

I just tell you what it is, i dont care of that website and if I im there and my logs are green, blue or multicolor.

Except FFlogs isn't a company. The only revenue they generate are from google adsense and donation—neither of which infringe on SE's copyright, which is the only scenario this whole legality argument would be relevant in. I suppose the recently made Market Board app would fall under this nonsense since, it too, lists character names.

And yet the devs actively watch World First twitch streams where ACT is prominently displayed and they do nothing. They only ban third party software if it's used to harass other players. If you used your brain, perhaps you'd have known that.