getting kicked from end game pfs as soon as I join?

[Bourne_Endeavor]

ICO

You just defeated your own argument.

Other examples of online identifiers that may be personal data include:

MAC addresses;
advertising IDs;
pixel tags;
account handles; and
device fingerprints.

The use of these may leave traces which, when combined with unique identifiers and other information received by servers, may be used to create profiles of individuals and identify them.

Regardless, this remains public information. If our usernames were considered private or sensitive information, it wouldn't be displayed where anyone can find it with a simple google search. Furthermore, you have no ownership over the battle log information nor your character's names—both of which being what FFlogs users. Simply put, you do not own anything related to your character. But let's play devil's advocate and say you did. SE clearly couldn't care less because not only do the devs know about FFlogs and ACT, they actively watch World First prog where its prominently displayed. Despite this, they haven't done a thing to prevent either use.

[JohnSpawnVFX]

You just defeated your own argument.



Regardless, this remains public information. If our usernames were considered private or sensitive information, it wouldn't be displayed where anyone can find it with a simple google search. Furthermore, you have no ownership over the battle log information nor your character's names—both of which being what FFlogs users. Simply put, you do not own anything related to your character. But let's play devil's advocate and say you did. SE clearly couldn't care less because not only do the devs know about FFlogs and ACT, they actively watch World First prog where its prominently displayed. Despite this, they haven't done a thing to prevent either use.

Not just that. By using this argument, SE would actually have to basically censor everyone's username in every instance, not just battle logs (and by extension parses). That means you wouldn't be able to refer to a specific person in party chat, FC chat, shout chat, etc.

Imagine: my FC having to refer to me by "Roe guy" or "Roe RDM" instead of my chosen username.

[whiskeybravo]

Furthermore, you have no ownership over the battle log information nor your character's names—both of which being what FFlogs users.

Probably one of the most important points.

All aspects of the Game (including but not limited to the Game computer code, updates, patches, expansion packs, characters, character names, character data, virtual items, character profile information, (non-personal) account information, chat transcripts, artwork, plot, dialogue, locations, sounds and music) are owned by Square Enix or its licensors. You do not have any property rights in the service account you use to play the Game ("FINAL FANTASY XIV Service Account" or "FFXIV Service Account").

So, technically it's SE's personal data, not yours.

Not just that. By using this argument, SE would actually have to basically censor everyone's username in every instance, not just battle logs (and by extension parses).

Oh it's better than that. If you follow the claim to it's logical conclusion then it'd be inappropriate to ever even use someone's name in real life. "Hey Person I used to call Mom, how are you today?"

[Dzian]

You just defeated your own argument.

gonna be honest not sure how that defeats my point when the very first line of your quote says those things can be considered personal data. and as personal data would fall subject to privacy laws and GDPR.

This is why so many websites now throw cookie policies in your face when you visit them and won't even let you continue browsing the site untill you have accepted them or set your privacy preferences.

Regardless, this remains public information. If our usernames were considered private or sensitive information, it wouldn't be displayed where anyone can find it with a simple google search.

It's not that they're considered private or sensitive. it's that they're considered personal data. my game name being public information doesnt mean its not personal information. as stated in my previous post.

also as stated earlier. you give SE consent to use hold that information when you accept it's Terms and conditions. That consent however does not carry over to FFLOGS or any other third party which is why I like many others have said fflogs should be "Opt In" not Opt Out. because I haven't given fflogs explicit consent to hold data on me or my online id (character). and I doubt SE has actually given explicit consent either (espeically so given there official stance on parsers and third party tools)

[OpalValentine]

gonna be honest not sure how that defeats my point when the very first line of your quote says those things can be considered personal data. and as personal data would fall subject to privacy laws and GDPR.

This is why so many websites now throw cookie policies in your face when you visit them and won't even let you continue browsing the site untill you have accepted them or set your privacy preferences.

It's not that they're considered private or sensitive. it's that they're considered personal data. my game name being public information doesnt mean its not personal information. as stated in my previous post.

also as stated earlier. you give SE consent to use hold that information when you accept it's Terms and conditions. That consent however does not carry over to FFLOGS or any other third party which is why I like many others have said fflogs should be "Opt In" not Opt Out. because I haven't given fflogs explicit consent to hold data on me or my online id (character). and I doubt SE has actually given explicit consent either (espeically so given there official stance on parsers and third party tools)

It's a third party Parser, which is against SE's Terms of Service. If they wish to use it, let them.

If anyone asks me to purvey them a Log and I get kicked, I will report them. By then, it's out of my hands and into the Devs.

Let these guys win the argument and take your wisdom to where it's truly needed: in the game.

Regardless, you're right on the money on everything you said.

[KaivaC]

If anyone asks me to purvey them a Log and I get kicked, I will report them. By then, it's out of my hands and into the Devs.

So...allow me to take this to a logical thought. Were I to start thinking like this, if I were still seeking a static at this time in a PF and got rejected and then kicked because what they say weren't up to their standards, reporting them is the next best step and then letting the devs handle it from there? Is that pretty much the gist of what you're saying? Just wanna make sure I got that right before I actually finish up my response.

I would agree if some people weren't so salty about everything when it comes to pick up. When playing with randoms don't come in with high expectations. Always found it odd about the people joining a pug and expect a good/perfect run every time is all.

When it's raid night and a random tank fills in for a weekly on O10S, and that tank can't even be bothered to mitigate the tank busters, or switch when necessary after three runs...

When a DPS fills in and they repeatedly die to the fireballs or don't even pass the Arcane Bulwark when they get the orange marker, or drop an ice marker right in the party stack when Ahk Morn is about to come out...

...or someone coming in that can't handle the very first Flamethrower or is constantly failing the first Larboard/Starboard, when our PF clearly says Panko 1 prog...

But yeah, it's a surprise to expect competence...

[Bourne_Endeavor]

gonna be honest not sure how that defeats my point when the very first line of your quote says those things can be considered personal data. and as personal data would fall subject to privacy laws and GDPR.

This is why so many websites now throw cookie policies in your face when you visit them and won't even let you continue browsing the site untill you have accepted them or set your privacy preferences.

Can being the operative word. It implies subjectivity whereas you're attempting to argue an absolute. The quote even further elaborates by suggesting your account handles could be tied to personal information, i.e., you post it on your Facebook. It never implies an absolution, which is what you've been doing.

It's not that they're considered private or sensitive. it's that they're considered personal data. my game name being public information doesnt mean its not personal information. as stated in my previous post.

also as stated earlier. you give SE consent to use hold that information when you accept it's Terms and conditions. That consent however does not carry over to FFLOGS or any other third party which is why I like many others have said fflogs should be "Opt In" not Opt Out. because I haven't given fflogs explicit consent to hold data on me or my online id (character). and I doubt SE has actually given explicit consent either (espeically so given there official stance on parsers and third party tools)

You provide consent to SE for your personal information. In-game features or data do not count under that umbrella nor do you own said information. If FFlogs were somehow able to replicate your actual name, address, email and etc, then you'd have an argument. As it does nothing of the sort, putting your name in what is essentially a statistical database is no different than if I made an excel spreadsheet of forum posters. I do not require your permission to do so nor am I obligated to remove your name should you ask.

[SekkerOfTrust]

Can being the operative word. It implies subjectivity whereas you're attempting to argue an absolute. The quote even further elaborates by suggesting your account handles could be tied to personal information, i.e., you post it on your Facebook. It never implies an absolution, which is what you've been doing.



You provide consent to SE for your personal information. In-game features or data do not count under that umbrella nor do you own said information. If FFlogs were somehow able to replicate your actual name, address, email and etc, then you'd have an argument. As it does nothing of the sort, putting your name in what is essentially a statistical database is no different than if I made an excel spreadsheet of forum posters. I do not require your permission to do so nor am I obligated to remove your name should you ask.

You dont require his permission till he goes to authorities, demand you and/or the company then you will see what happen. SE can use the information but you as a player CANT use other player data nor to say a website that isnt SE related.

[Jojoya]

You dont require his permission till he goes to authorities, demand you and/or the company then you will see what happen. SE can use the information but you as a player CANT use other player data nor to say a website that isnt SE related.

I would be amused to see the reaction of the courts if someone tried to take legal action over it. It's not personal data protected by law.

[Bourne_Endeavor]

You dont require his permission till he goes to authorities, demand you and/or the company then you will see what happen. SE can use the information but you as a player CANT use other player data nor to say a website that isnt SE related.

Please, take me to court over an Excel spreadsheet having your username from a video game on it. I never realized Excel constituted owning a private company.