getting kicked from end game pfs as soon as I join?

[JohnSpawnVFX]

The world we all live in. GDPR



so yeah pretty much anything i say in the chat log is personal data. just the same as any post i make on facebook is personal data... anyhting that can be referenced to an identifiable individual is considered personal data.

so technically fflogs is in breach of GDPR as its using identifiable information without consent. and thus should be anonymised for anyone who has not Opted-In

Sorry to disappoint you, but Dzian Cielo isn't an online identifier. It's actually an application of pseudonymisation, meaning the game and all interactions with you inside the game are made solely through that pseudonym and nothing ingame links that pseudonym to your real life identity. That's even why any non-direct messaging is done through Mogmail instead of going to your email account associated with your SE account. All emails regarding the game are handled exclusively by SE and there's no way ingame to discern that email account bar you personally telling someone the address.

So no, parsing your portion of the shared battle logs isn't a violation of GDPR because there's no way to connect that information to your real life identity. GDPR would only be relevant to your online identity as an XIV player, if someone besides SE staff could link it to your real life identity.

[OpalValentine]

Sorry to disappoint you, but Dzian Cielo isn't an online identifier. It's actually an application of pseudonymisation, meaning the game and all interactions with you inside the game are made solely through that pseudonym and nothing ingame links that pseudonym to your real life identity. That's even why any non-direct messaging is done through Mogmail instead of going to your email account associated with your SE account. All emails regarding the game are handled exclusively by SE and there's no way ingame to discern that email account bar you personally telling someone the address.

So no, parsing your portion of the shared battle logs isn't a violation of GDPR because there's no way to connect that information to your real life identity. GDPR would only be relevant to your online identity as an XIV player, if someone besides SE staff could link it to your real life identity.

Process:

You create an account to construct your Avatar.
You then create your name.
Your name, your avatar is under your account.

If you wish to look up my name, Opal Valentine, it's easy as using the search Bar.

The difference between using tools under SE and tools on a third party site is one is under legal obligations, while others is a risk ala without legal terms and obligations.

The purpose of the Parser is to gauge your performance, your progress and your overall output. Using it to build a party, exempt others on data outside first party tools is against ToS.

You can still be "Dox" by anyone through this third party tool.

I've read everyone's responses and not one has stayed on course of the OP's inquiry. Only one player here spoke on the repercussions of using this Log and everyone speaks on segregation.

If I hide my log, it's my information I wish to hide. If anyone were to kick me for it or ask and I refuse to let them know of it, that's harassment and I have that right to report you. If you were to place on your PF "I parse at this percentile. I have my proof; please show yours", then you're at LEAST being honest. Granted, I will avoid you like a plague, but I won't go after you for it.

On the other hand, even having high damage output doesn't guarantee a clear especially if you're in a matched group. There are console players that don't even use this, and other numeral contributing factors on the accuracy of the logs.

So no, Dzian Cielo IS an online identifier. If you, like every other player in this game, have a Facebook page based on your character, an Instagram, a Twitter, it can definitely lead to your personal information that anyone and everyone can find.

And it is definitely against violation of GDPR. It not only has anything to do with real-life identity, but of the intent of the use of a ToS-breaking third party tool.

Link: https://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodes...5bd14ffec4345f

Quote: "we would like to remind players that using third-party programs, parsers, or other tools to conduct actions players would not normally be able to do in the game is a violation of the Terms of Service, and will be dealt with strict disciplinary action."

[Canadane]

I'm kind of ambivalent about FFlogs anyway. On one hand, I can understand why someone running savage-level raids would want to know the general skills of the players in their party. For PF though it seems kind of like overkill.

On the other hand, that's MY data that I didn't give anyone permission to use. I don't like that just a facet of your performance can be ripped out of your hands like that and uploaded for the world to see without you having any say in it.

If it were a solo duty, perhaps.
But this is a team effort! Everyone puts in. It isn't just your data, it belongs to the party you were with and every member in that instance has every right to look over the battle logs.

That being said, a lot of people here seem to think everyone is going to check parses first and everyone denies others for low numbers.
Take it from me, who's not exactly doing well this tier, lol. Nobody cares. I pug it up every week. Get my clears, move on with my day. Everyone's happy.

[Dirwen]

Feels like privacy is a thing of the past these days. Pretty sure some people will feel very uncomfortable being spied on even if they got nothing to hide. It's rude after all but the concept of ethics is skewed online with people hiding behind their keyboards.

[JohnSpawnVFX]

Feels like privacy is a thing of the past these days. Pretty sure some people will feel very uncomfortable being spied on even if they got nothing to hide. It's rude after all but the concept of ethics is skewed online with people hiding behind their keyboards.

Expecting privacy on information from the battle log is like being offended that someone pointed out a certain person is wearing glasses, as if that's something private. It's there available for anyone in the party to see, and parsers just conveniently gather up that info and present it in an informative manner.

One's skill level directly affects the rest of the party. Parties have a right to know what kind of player they're getting, specially nowadays that concealing one's skill level and lying about experience level with a certain duty runs rampant in the community.

[Stormfur]

If it were a solo duty, perhaps.
But this is a team effort! Everyone puts in. It isn't just your data, it belongs to the party you were with and every member in that instance has every right to look over the battle logs.

That being said, a lot of people here seem to think everyone is going to check parses first and everyone denies others for low numbers.
Take it from me, who's not exactly doing well this tier, lol. Nobody cares. I pug it up every week. Get my clears, move on with my day. Everyone's happy.

Then let me either opt in to share my data or let me anonymize my character but still show my classes contribution.

[Aomine1992]

It just means you didn’t tickle their fancy just move on, I have only seen this once and usually those parties end up toxic and unable to clear content anyways! I have disgusting parses for V3s because I keep dying to the flamethrower, missile drop mechanic before Panto 2 because well healing but still I have not been kicked from a pf yet.

[24spencer]

i have literally never seen anyone get kicked just for having grey parses so i find it extremely unlikely that OP is giving us the whole story here.

I only see people get kicked in savage pfs if they repeatedly fail the same mechanic and/or refuse to communicate with the party when needed, or have a reputation for doing those things.

[BristolRuss]

It has been covered extensively already, but hiding your logs will be doing you no favours at all. It just makes you look like an exceptionally bad player who has something to hide. The real question here is what kind of parties were you trying to join? What floors were they? Were they practice or weekly clear runs?

For O9 and O10 kill runs I honestly doubt anyone would care if you had grey percentiles as long as your logs show that you are competent and can kill the content. Especially if the rest of the party are good and can pick up the slack. For O11 and 12 then it might become more of an issue as the DPS checks are a lot tighter.
If it was practice parties that you were joining then it matters even less as there isn't an expectation to clear the fight. Of course there is still an expectation that you know the basics such as your rotation etc; which again if you hide your logs gives off a very bad impression.

[Melichoir]

So a couple PFs I have joined for Alphascape Savage today and yesterday I was kicked from almost instantly, and every time I make a PF no one joins it? I am super confused about this, is it becasue I main Sam or is it because of FFlogs? I have heard a lot of people refusing to run with people who don't have good parses on FFLogs so idk...

edit: If i was kicked because of some kind of bad rep i have on my data center I would like to know about that too because I am completely lost on this I am on Aether Btw!

You pretty much answered your own question. Broadly, you have bad parses and people can see that on FFLOGs (which doesnt help you, of course), you are running Sam (which a lot of groups dont like outside of O12S from what I understand), or your reputation precedes you. You can gauge the last one pretty easily by playing a class thats equally geared and in demand (DRG as an example) and seeing if you get kicked almost immediately. If they hang onto you, its likely not a rep thing but probably being SAM. Also, just so you know even if you block your logs on FFLOGS, some groups will kick you anyways as theyll see it as you hiding something (aka you are a baddie in their eyes and are trying to hide it).

As for making your own group, Doing so as a DPS is gonna be harder especially if youre off meta. People generally look for parties that already have a few people in them, or have tanks/healers set.

I have to disagree with this: any content where logs are being uploaded is group content, therefore, the performance is not purely your own; Savage is a group effort, so the performance belongs to everyone in the group. Not just one person.

Just to expand on this, your damage is gonna be group reliant to a fairly good extent. What buffs you get, how well the healers or tanks are playing, how much other DPS are doing, etc will affect your "performance". As a point, youll do higher DPS in a good comp than you would solo against a training dummy typically. So it's not "just your performance and no one elses." Its very much a group activity, and there's no real way to pull just your performance out of it because of how things interact in party play.