getting kicked from end game pfs as soon as I join?

[KaivaC]

So a couple PFs I have joined for Alphascape Savage today and yesterday I was kicked from almost instantly, and every time I make a PF no one joins it? I am super confused about this, is it becasue I main Sam or is it because of FFlogs? I have heard a lot of people refusing to run with people who don't have good parses on FFLogs so idk...

edit: If i was kicked because of some kind of bad rep i have on my data center I would like to know about that too because I am completely lost on this I am on Aether Btw!

Just by doing a quick look, it seems like one or two things: either you joined one of those parties that want high DPS and what was found on your FFLOGs was seen as a problem by the party leader; or it's because of the fact that you've hidden your logs, which tends to carry a negative stigma behind it. Could possibly help more if we knew what your logs looked like, so at least somebody could offer up something that could potentially explain this - that is, if you don't have some rep on the PF. Still, not all PFs are like this, so it could just be a case of some bad luck with a few groups.

[Nora_of_Mira]

Based on the so little information present, I seriously doubt it's because of any FFlogs. Any time I see people getting kicked or avoided it's because the person is a well-known troll on their data center and other raiders will blacklist people like that to avoid their parties. Is that the case? Idk

I honestly don't know how you can go about figuring that out other than changing your name and see if that changes anything.

[Dzian]

If I saw someone with hidden fflogs, I'd be more inclined to believe the player knows of their poor performance and is unwilling to improve.

Then you'd be an idiot.

Many players hide there logs just because there basically inaccurate.

If I've done a fight 50 times and of those 50 some random person uploaded 2 runs to fflogs. It's by no means an accurate representation of my ability.

There's basically 2 ways you can go. One is hide your logs entirely.

2 is parse and upload every single encounter you do. In order to maintain an accurate representation of your abilities.

1 is infinitely easier than 2. And 2 is impossible anyway for many players on the ps4 or lower end pcs.

There's also the fact a huge amount of people never look into the logs. Just the colour of a players name and there dps number...

[HyoMinPark]

Many players hide there logs just because there basically inaccurate.

If I've done a fight 50 times and of those 50 some random person uploaded 2 runs to fflogs. It's by no means an accurate representation of my ability.

When you have 1 or 2 greens or greys, people generally don’t think much of them—they may be hesitant, but they won’t get too up in arms over it. Especially if you have other logs that are higher in other categories—everyone has bad runs. But when you have a string of nothing but green/grey and it is spread consistently across multiple categories, that’s fairly representative of your overall performance even if it isn’t every single run of every piece of content that you’ve ever done.

[Sabora_Makingai]

I just want to say it may just be the people you are trying to party with. If anyone here looks at my logs (feel free cause I'm always trying to be my co tank in dps even though it probably wont ever happen) then you will see that I parse grey most of the time but clear just fine with no deaths.

EDIT: Unless its on O10S and I get clipped by Hot Tail from 100 feet away

[Caitlyn]

So a couple PFs I have joined for Alphascape Savage today and yesterday I was kicked from almost instantly, and every time I make a PF no one joins it? I am super confused about this, is it becasue I main Sam or is it because of FFlogs? I have heard a lot of people refusing to run with people who don't have good parses on FFLogs so idk...

edit: If i was kicked because of some kind of bad rep i have on my data center I would like to know about that too because I am completely lost on this I am on Aether Btw!

Did you tried to whisper the party leader for the reason why the kicked you? There is also a valid reason why you got kicked. If you want to know, just ask them.
If you got kicked instantly, you did something wrong (didnt read party description or no reaction on group chat) or you got a really bad rep on your datacenter.

I dont think its about logs or classes (except ppl want no double class for wrong reasons). Hiding your logs wont solve your problems. If I would open a raid party, I would even prefer grey logs over no logs/hidden logs.

[stanrir]

Did you tried to whisper the party leader for the reason why the kicked you?

only one of the two and they never replied. I also tried to rejoin the pf thinking maybe I got kicked by mistake and it told me unable to join the pf, and I noticed a Ninja got in a little while later

[Caitlyn]

only one of the two and they never replied. I also tried to rejoin the pf thinking maybe I got kicked by mistake and it told me unable to join the pf, and I noticed a Ninja got in a little while later

So you got kicked from only two parties? No need to worry about that. Maybe bad luck or something.
I guess they kicked you, because they got a friend who wanted to join as ninja. But I dont think its a problem to join as SAM. Melees are rare these days. Try to join PF als ranged (no matter if physical or mage) DPS. Hell!

[Stormfur]

I'm kind of ambivalent about FFlogs anyway. On one hand, I can understand why someone running savage-level raids would want to know the general skills of the players in their party. For PF though it seems kind of like overkill.

On the other hand, that's MY data that I didn't give anyone permission to use. I don't like that just a facet of your performance can be ripped out of your hands like that and uploaded for the world to see without you having any say in it.

OP I'm not sure what to tell you.. there have been times when people get kicked because the raid leader's friend is on and they want to get them a clear or something like that. Nothing personal to you, but that doesn't make it sting any less, I know. I main SAM on my main character too so if I got kicked JUST for being a SAM, well, it's their loss.

[MoroMurasaki]

On the other hand, that's MY data that I didn't give anyone permission to use. I don't like that just a facet of your performance can be ripped out of your hands like that and uploaded for the world to see without you having any say in it.

I very much agree with the rest of your post but I just don't think it's fair to look at fflogs this way. The only time your performance is your own is when you're doing something solo. The rest of the time, good or bad, you aren't 100% responsible for or in control of those numbers to begin with much less enough so that you have any ownership over them.

While I never recommend it to anyone either hiding your logs is technically an option available to everyone. In situations like the OP is talking about I would say hiding logs is closer to an admission of guilt than anything though - very few people want to hide when they're doing well at something. I've partied with some people via PF with really sketchy fflogs pages and quite a few of then turned out to be completely fine.

Judging someone by their logs (especially when there aren't a lot of them) is silly but judging someone for deliberately hiding their performance is just common sense and healthy skepticism.