getting kicked from end game pfs as soon as I join?

[Penthea]

I was toying back and forth with deciding whether I should respond, and how I should respond. I've been in many discords, and sometimes, I get into disagreements and heated discussions with members of those discords. Some of them, I have even left. Regardless of the reasons, the one thing I won't do is bring those issues into a public spectrum. In fact, I'd much prefer to mend bridges rather than continuing to just add gasoline to the fire. I don't know what discord you are talking about, and honestly, in this context, it doesn't matter at all.

Whatever happened over discord, needs to stay in that medium. If you have beef with individuals outside of the forums, it's not something you bring here into the forums.

Either forgive and forget, or take this issue you have with somebody elsewhere. Seriously. Follow the words you are saying. Don't do something childish like bringing the feud here.

Do correct me if I'm wrong because I only had a very quick look. This thread has a lot of pages with very long posts, but it appears the first instance of someone bringing beef from elsewhere related to Sylvina is this post.

If I am correct you'll see that Sylvina was not the one who first brought up personal external beef and pointed fingers at specific people. I am not condoning their behaviour or what we see in their posts, but at this point I'm starting to feel like this situation is turning into a bit of a bandwagon. They're being cornered in two threads now.

If what happened in that discord is true, then yes they definitely need to approach the game differently. But if they are accused of something they didn't do, and people upvote that accusation, it's only going to convince them even more that their poor opinion of a certain type of player is valid. It will not make them reflect on how they can improve their performance and attitude. It will only fuel their already bitter stance towards raiding.

If I am wrong about who started bringing in personal beef and Sylvina did start it, well then they got what was coming to them.

All this being said Kaiva is certainly correct that pointing fingers at personal beef that started outside the forums and the game is not something anyone should do. What happens outside of SE's games and forums should stay outside of SE's games and forums.

[KaivaC]

Do correct me if I'm wrong because I only had a very quick look. This thread has a lot of pages with very long posts, but it appears the first instance of someone bringing beef from elsewhere related to Sylvina is this post.

If I am correct you'll see that Sylvina was not the one who first brought up personal external beef and pointed fingers at specific people. I am not condoning their behaviour or what we see in their posts, but at this point I'm starting to feel like this situation is turning into a bit of a bandwagon. They're being cornered in two threads now.

If what happened in that discord is true, then yes they definitely need to approach the game differently. But if they are accused of something they didn't do, and people upvote that accusation, it's only going to convince them even more that their poor opinion of a certain type of player is valid. It will not make them reflect on how they can improve their performance and attitude. It will only fuel their already bitter stance towards raiding.

If I am wrong about who started bringing in personal beef and Sylvina did start it, well then they got what was coming to them.

All this being said Kaiva is certainly correct that pointing fingers at personal beef that started outside the forums and the game is not something anyone should do. What happens outside of SE's games and forums should stay outside of SE's games and forums.

Just going by what I have seen, when all of this blew up, the post in question that was responded to might have been - again, might have been - taken as a hypocritical statement, given what may have happened outside of the forum. I don't know, I'm just going by what I see and posting how I perceived things. Regardless of who was right or wrong, I have played with players such as Bourne and Hyo, and they don't act without provocation. But I don't speak for them, just going by experiences with them. I'm probably going to stop responding after this post, though, because as you said, perhaps Sylvina is being cornered in multiple threads and it's not really an issue that I can really involve myself with given that I'm on the outside looking in. Whatever the case, hopefully the dispute is dealt with in private where it started.

[Bourne_Endeavor]

Do correct me if I'm wrong because I only had a very quick look. This thread has a lot of pages with very long posts, but it appears the first instance of someone bringing beef from elsewhere related to Sylvina is this post.

If I am correct you'll see that Sylvina was not the one who first brought up personal external beef and pointed fingers at specific people. I am not condoning their behaviour or what we see in their posts, but at this point I'm starting to feel like this situation is turning into a bit of a bandwagon. They're being cornered in two threads now.

If what happened in that discord is true, then yes they definitely need to approach the game differently. But if they are accused of something they didn't do, and people upvote that accusation, it's only going to convince them even more that their poor opinion of a certain type of player is valid. It will not make them reflect on how they can improve their performance and attitude. It will only fuel their already bitter stance towards raiding.

If I am wrong about who started bringing in personal beef and Sylvina did start it, well then they got what was coming to them.

All this being said Kaiva is certainly correct that pointing fingers at personal beef that started outside the forums and the game is not something anyone should do. What happens outside of SE's games and forums should stay outside of SE's games and forums.

I'll acknowledge lighting the proverbial match, so to speak. It simply irked me she had the audacity to slam the raid community after people from said community spent a good hour or two trying to help her all. And because she wasn't coddled, this is the end result. There even was an instance where someone went a bit too far and made it more personal, but the supposedly "toxic" community outright told them to knock it off. Ironically, all this drama started because she came into that discord and asked them "I keep parsing grey. What am I doing wrong?"

The "upvoting" is entirely justified. And while I won't publicly post quotes, they are still in the discord for anyone to find.

[Penthea]

I'll acknowledge lighting the proverbial match, so to speak. It simply irked me she had the audacity to slam the raid community after people from said community spent a good hour or two trying to help her all. And because she wasn't coddled, this is the end result.

Yea I totally get where you're coming from, and I don't entirely disagree with you calling out someone on their crap.

It just didn't sit right with me when Sylvina got accused and criticised for introducing this particular drama to the forum when they did not, especially after seeing what a bandwagon the situation is becoming. I'd rather we keep the criticisms we have for this player strictly to the things they did. They did say some things targeted at specific people, but it wasn't without direct provocation. Had you not mentioned that discord group it's possible that they wouldn't have had either.

The "upvoting" is entirely justified

Sorry but it's not when the main point of the post was "keep your personal targeted beef where it started and don't drag it in here" when it was someone else who brought it up first.

No matter how true it is that Sylvina needs to change their attitude towards raiding, it doesn't make it okay to blame them for things they didn't do.

[Stormfur]

The polite and mature thing to do in any party is to:
1) See what it's for. Usually they'll say "practice" at "whatever stage" or clear or farm.
2) Judge your own skill by how well you know those phases.

That's it. I think it is completely acceptable to go into a clear party if you've successfully gotten to enrage several times AND been close enough to clearing that with just a tad more DPS you could do it. There are lots of players who clear it once then think they can farm, and I think that's where a lot of issues happen. You're very likely NOT going to be perfect at it on your second clear try.

[Videra]

ITT: People getting mad about an objectively useful tool because, "parsing toxic", and also people arguing that it's comparable to doxxing.

To cut a long story short and get to the point from where the argument started, no. Do not hide your logs. It exacerbates the issue. As far as the OP goes, they have a few decent logs that show signs of improvement. It shows that they want to get better, so - you go, person. Just keep on truckin'.

[Aeilyi]

Lol, op is better as a healer than a dps. Nice job though.