This video tells you why some people thought FFXIV 1.2. is a better MMO than 2.0

[TaiyoShikasu]

Aren't those screens from The Fall And Rise off Final Fantasy XIV which was less of a "1.0 good, 2.0 bad" and more of a what the game was like before being shut down because it was the worst thing Square churned out and almost put a black mark on an otherwise widely successful franchise?

[CosmicKirby]

...and please, please stop pretending and whining that there isnt any community. I'm sorry, but thats just not true - if you fail to make friends, thats on you - not the game. Even an MMO is first and foremost designed to be a game - not a replacement for a social life or network that you have to build yourself.

This is a recurring theme I see in basically ANY "The old version of this MMO was better" opinions.


People are more social when they're new. But more importantly, People are more social when they know OTHERS are ALSO new. A large part of social anxiety, even light amounts, is the fear of doing or saying something that makes it obvious you're less experienced or knowledgeable than the 'others'.

Beyond that, all 'communities' only give out as much as you give into them. The kind of people that express these opinions on WoW don't play with an active guild, or don't have any friends that play any more, and then say they'll be super socially active when Classic is released. Like, they're somehow completely unaware that their perception of a community is entirely a result of how involved with the community they actually are. It's a case of someone living next to a local park, but never even opening their windows when there's inevitable social events going on outside. If you don't "want" do socialize, you simply won't and you'll actively be avoiding socialization.

I've gotten to get that old MMO RPG feeling quite thoroughly when I was trying to raid savage on a decent pace the past couple of years. And then, miraculously, when I stopped socializing during my breaks. I suddenly couldn't recognize many other players or what daily events where happening on the server. The community was certainly still there, I just stopped trying to take part in it.

[Nestama]

I've been thinking... why doesn't OP just move to one of the more English speaking servers? Like Tonberry and (I think) Masamune? Assuming they don't speak Japanese, of course.

[Duskane]

I've been thinking... why doesn't OP just move to one of the more English speaking servers? Like Tonberry and (I think) Masamune? Assuming they don't speak Japanese, of course.

I still belive its just an account to troll on
Since this is there alt and are afraid there main will be banned for some reason.

[Reynhart]

2.0 is better in every way. Not even a argument really.

There are these little things called opinions, you know ?

And my opinion is that the level/rank system was better, because you had real benefit to level multiple jobs but also choices in how you allocate your stat points. I think the Stamina system was better than the auto-attack+GCD because you had to manage your pacing, but you'd still have the opportunity to burn all your stamina bar faster during a short window, and letting it fill in if you can't target something. I think the job/class system was better because staying as a class was a strategic choice for more versatility. I think mages having combos was better because it made some spells behave differentlty. I think item bonuses were better when you had some items increasing a specific skill and not simply focusing on raw dps. I think elemental resistances were better especially since you could tweak several crafted items so that you could add an elemental resistance of your choice. I think dungeons rewards were better when loot was actually meaningful and you had several objectives to increase the number of chest at the end (Well, except the speedrun part). I think the overworld monsters were better when you had some NM that dropped unique items useful for progression but also some really high monsters so that unlocking all aetherytes was actually a real feat. I think beastmen strongholds werer better when they had treasure chests that give really powerful items and were actually challenging.

The game as a whole was worse, but lots of ideas were far more interesting and would have deserved a fix instead of simply being cast away.

What's funny is I'm pretty sure lots of people speak ill of how 1.x was an absolute mess even though they never played it. They just were told that...

[Whanext]

I know, it won't come back, because many talented staff had left SE
Hironobu Sakaguchi， Nobuo Uematsu，Hiromichi Tanaka, Yasumi Matsuno, Yoko Shimomura
SE is just a mobile game company now, the current staff don't have the MMO developing experience.
just.. oh.....is there no hope at all?

If you hate this game so much, why do you even play it? If 1.x is that great as you said, then why does 2.0 exist? What is the reason that the game failed before?

[Luluna]

What gets me is how many people did not even play Version 1, yet they have a big opinion on how shit it was. If anybody says there where some good things they are shot down..everybody to their own.
I loved a lot of things from V1 yet there where bad things obviously, problem with FF14 now is that it does have issues and lots of aoe dancing is one of them. Endgame is glamour. I also feel there where lots of really nice things in V1. The opening scenes the music the look the feel everything hands down beats this version. I like the ease of the game now I can be a dirty casual if I want.

[Sigma-Astra]

I also feel there where lots of really nice things in V1. The opening scenes the music the look the feel everything hands down beats this version.

I've heard the music in V1 and it still boggles me how some people find the entire OST of that better than what XIV has now. If anything, 2.0 beats 1.0 in terms of musical compositions alone. V1 had a few good scores here and there, I won't lie about that, but to say the music hands down beats this version? It seems like a stretch blinded by nostalgia to me because you're praising the use of "fake instruments" and synthesizers over something that actually used real ones.

Yes, the 1.0 music did not use real instruments, but they were good at pretending that they did.

[SerLuke]

What gets me is how many people did not even play Version 1, yet they have a big opinion on how shit it was. If anybody says there where some good things they are shot down..everybody to their own.
I loved a lot of things from V1 yet there where bad things obviously, problem with FF14 now is that it does have issues and lots of aoe dancing is one of them. Endgame is glamour. I also feel there where lots of really nice things in V1. The opening scenes the music the look the feel everything hands down beats this version. I like the ease of the game now I can be a dirty casual if I want.

I mean I didn’t play 1.0, but I did see all of the bad PR about how much financial damage 1.0 was doing for Squre Enix, I’m sure there are people who loved and prefer 1.0 over ARR but they are a very small amount of people,not enough to keep that version going. An objectively good MMO wouldn’t come close to ruining a company, I don’t have to play 1.0 to known it was bad.

[Theplatter]

I've heard the music in V1 and it still boggles me how some people find the entire OST of that better than what XIV has now. If anything, 2.0 beats 1.0 in terms of musical compositions alone. V1 had a few good scores here and there, I won't lie about that, but to say the music hands down beats this version? It seems like a stretch blinded by nostalgia to me because you're praising the use of "fake instruments" and synthesizers over something that actually used real ones.

Yes, the 1.0 music did not use real instruments, but they were good at pretending that they did.

This is entirely based on opinion. 1.x (IMHO) sounded far more original than ARR, which for the most part, sounded like it pulled from so many other popular compositions (Harry Potter, Lord of the Rings, Star Wars, etc.). Like so many other aspects of the game - original races aside - the music of 1.0 felt like it was trying to be different and have its own character, while still feeling very Final Fantasy. HW music (again, IMHO) was a vast improvement over ARR, but even it sounded like it pulled liberally from other sources (Secret of Mana, Kingdom Hearts, etc.). Unfortunately, SB music seems to be the worst of the bunch, with the main theme being greatly overused with little variance.