Healer for speed running dungeons

[SwarleyMcSwarls]

The answer is always scholar.

[Ftail]

Trust me, if you are going to be farming dungeons you won't shave a significant portion off your time unless you aren't DPS'ing at all. You are going to want to pick an easy class where you can turn on a 2nd monitor and watch some shows while you DPS & Heal a dungeon.

WHM is amazing for this with it's regens and holy. Alternate thin air, and Lucid dream so you don't run out of mana casting Holy. Don't even bother with Aero III or Aero II if you don't want to, but make sure you at least spam Stone IV on the bosses. Like Exiled Tonberry said, I'm pretty sure you can squeeze out more DPS out with a SCH, but it takes more effort. That sort of thing really drains people if you have to run like 6 dungeons in a row, it makes it a lot more manageable if you can chill and watch some netflix while you did a dungeon.

Edit: Also Benediction is a life saver if you go brain dead hitting Stone IV on the boss while not looking at the tanks health because you were watching Konan. >.>

[Raikai]

Holy spam can stun, yes...

But then, SCH (with 3 aetherflow stacks) have 3 ogcd lustrates that heal for a hefty amount plus the faerie healing while it Miasma 2's the packs of enemies.

Also, I have no idea how people think WHM is the "easy healer"... Between SCH's Lustrates, Indomitability and Faerie off-healing, I really feel bummed at the "raw healing potency" of WHM.

[Ftail]

But then, SCH (with 3 aetherflow stacks) have 3 ogcd lustrates that heal for a hefty amount plus the faerie healing while it Miasma 2's the packs of enemies.

Aetherflow needs to be used for more then just 3 ogcd lustrates. Before the tank pulls on SCH, I aldo and cast excog. That's one stack down, then during the pull I use Miasma I and Bio II throw down my shadowflare and make sure I use bane to spread my dots. All while weaving the oGCD into places it can fit. That's 2 stacks down. If you have 3 oGCD lustrates because you aren't using excog a basic spell to help you DPS more, sorry but you are a bad Scholar.

Edit:This is compared to WHM which can just cast a couple of regens and spam Holy without worrying about their mana with Thin Air.

And miasma 2 instant cast is so much easier to do than holy 3h cast spam when mobs are dishing out aoes. In addition to this I find that holy spam stun can be detrimental when tanks want to make everyone’s life easier by stunning specific mobs.

Miasma II has a potency of 100 and it doesn't have a stun attached to heavily reduce the damage a tank takes. Holy starts with a potency of 200, has a stun (amazing), and doesn't get reduced to 100 potency until the 6th enemy. It can also be combined with presence of mind for even faster stuns and more milage out of Thin Air.

I have never ever heard a tank complain about Holy Stunning a mob they wanted to stun, this seems so far fetched it's probably made up. If that fool of tank does exist, does he also get mad at the Melee DPS classes for stunning targets?

[ElroyDrundan]

This is compared to WHM which can just cast a couple of regens before the pull and spam Holy without worrying about their mana with Thin Air.
?

On what planet do you live on where you can put up regens before a pull? On trash this would just be silly, the tank would hate you. Problematic even if you tried to stay right on top of the tank. On bosses, it would be a good way to move the boss out of position or take an attack to the face. Most tanks will remove regens on them when doing trash pulls. Not to say WHM doesn't have nice tools but pre HoTing before the pulls isn't one of them.

[Ftail]

On what planet do you live on where you can put up regens before a pull? On trash this would just be silly, the tank would hate you. Problematic even if you tried to stay right on top of the tank. On bosses, it would be a good way to move the boss out of position or take an attack to the face. Most tanks will remove regens on them when doing trash pulls. Not to say WHM doesn't have nice tools but pre HoTing before the pulls isn't one of them.

Good correction, it's best to throw the regen on right after the tank establishes aggro on trash mobs. But my main point about regens and holy spam is still untouched. Edit: I edited the post you quoted me in because you made a good point.

[LazyTitan87]

On what planet do you live on where you can put up regens before a pull? On trash this would just be silly, the tank would hate you. Problematic even if you tried to stay right on top of the tank. On bosses, it would be a good way to move the boss out of position or take an attack to the face. Most tanks will remove regens on them when doing trash pulls. Not to say WHM doesn't have nice tools but pre HoTing before the pulls isn't one of them.

Off-topic, but I tanked the Vault on my PLD (I'm usually a healer). Healer pre-casted Aspected Helios Diurnal every...single...pull.

How do people even think that's a good idea?

[miraidensetsu]

How do people even think that's a good idea?

By forgetting or not knowing about healing aggro generation.

Well, I learned that on the hard way, after aggroing an entire pack of monsters just putting a regen too early back when I was doing my 1st run on Stone Vigil. Good times...

[EaMett]

I have never ever heard a tank complain about Holy Stunning a mob they wanted to stun, this seems so far fetched it's probably made up. If that fool of tank does exist, does he also get mad at the Melee DPS classes for stunning targets?

First off I never mentioned anyone outright complaining about it, I said it was detrimental. And it certainly isn't made up. Just look at the burn for instance with those huge worm aoes. Many a tank and/or dps will stun those. Holy doesn't give you the opportunity to do any aoe management because you immunize mobs to stun really early in the pull. People don't complain because healer's doing dps, good enough they just deal with it. Doesn't make it nice. And this is far from being the only example.

Also you seem to forget that you can cast miasma II more often than holy, and aren't accounting for the dot, or the fact there's no reduction per enemy, or the fact the sch can weave dps in between, or the fact the sch doesn't need to break cast to move out of aoes, or the fact sch doesn't need to break cast to heal (doesn't even have to heal at all most of the time, prepull adlo, E4E, faerie heals, mitigation,tether are more than enough), or the other 3 multi target dots the scholar has etc. etc. Adding all of these end to end make a significant difference. I've played WHM all my FF14 playtime until recently. I wouldn't even bother trying to compete with my sch. It's hard enough for me to outdps my own sch with a dps class... let alone another healer class.

[RopeDrink]

I said it was detrimental. Holy doesn't give you the opportunity to do any aoe management because you immunize mobs to stun really early in the pull. People don't complain because healer's doing dps, good enough they just deal with it. Doesn't make it nice. And this is far from being the only example.

So AoE management is detrimental to AoE management. Ok. Except that by the time you've stunned them, eg. those worms, they'll already be casting their AoE and thus there is no real loss to interrupting it - and while stunned x 2 there is ample time for a tank to do whatever they feel is appropriate for enmity. It is also not likely that a WHM would be casting Holy at any point before the tank is in their desired spot, unless - like me - you occasionally consider a QC/Holy while sprinting vs half of a double pull to give tanks breathing room while they move to the next batch. There is also no need to 'leave' that area until you've done a whole session of PoM/TA/CS + Holy Bonanza seeing as it'll interrupt all of them until the time your buffs have faded, and let's not pretend like there's anything else to do provided you have opened with Aero 3.

You can talk about weaving and pet heals and all that jazz - but at no point in any Burn run as a WHM (of which I've done many) has anyone even considered complaining about me annihilating all those massive pulls with Holy, nor was it detrimental to healing, tanking or DPS, nor was it difficult in any capacity at all. As an ex-PLD main and a War-alt partial to Low-Blowing problematic mobs to stop casts such as Worm AoE (ie. two tanks I loved stunning with), I would be very happy to have myself as a Healer.

I have never ever heard a tank complain about Holy Stunning a mob they wanted to stun, this seems so far fetched it's probably made up.

I can recall two instances where a tank whined about my Holy - once when "The Fractal Continuum (Hard)" was the 'latest' - a PLD complained about my holy spam against a double-pull - he genuinely preferred I didn't do DPS at all simply because the pull contained a Minotaur, so he and his friend kicked me out, which is hilarious given said group had no actual AoE in terms of DPS roles so I was out-performing the damage dealers in those situations and neither the tank, DPS nor myself where under any actual threat of coming even close to dying, nevermind getting damaged. As someone who plays tanks AND healers myself, all I could do was laugh and enjoy an instant queue-pop that gave me a group (with another PLD) who laughed along with me at it, seeing as I entered and jokingly asked "You're not going to kick me for using Holy like the last bunch, are you?" - when I tank, I'd have loved that healer - the most I used to get at the time where AFK'ers who'd Cure 99% healthbars back when that was far more prevalent.

I forget the specifics of the other incident but I definitely remember two instances of tanks taking the time to stop playing and get salty about Holy, without it being a conflict between DRK/WHM who refuse to adapt to eachother (Holy vs DRK's AoE sustain).