Datacenters: A Plea For Community Building, Not Fracturing

[Hamada]

It literally does affect me. I'm transferring worlds once the free transfer period starts, so at the moment I'm trying to get all my ducks in a row, packing all my stuff, dealing with having to disband my FC, etc., and making sure everything is in order to leave.



I also never said that. I said nothing about being grateful, I said it was less of a problem because transferring is free.

Sorry, that is not really my point or what I was getting at. I mean I guess I could of just quoted "It would be a Big Problem if everyone had to shell out $18 to transfer" but I did not know it was necessary to show that was my sole focus while adding reference to other threads and comments. The blame balmung playerbase is driving me nuts, and I do not get why people want to blame a playerbase for a problem SE made.

Anyways that one line I am quoting from you implies it is not a big deal because the cost in IRL is nothing, free transfers (thus the reason to relate that to the other posts)The problem with this is that it neglects the time people put in housing and those that manage not only their personal house but FC house as well, on top of their own FC rooms, on top of apartments, on top of the workshop.

The other idea here is, the playerbase shouldn't be having to pay 15 dollars a month (some up to over 45 dollars a month) just to get knocked around like this. I really suspect a lot of people will want to return to Aether in fear of having dead PFs, making the situation SE trying to fix, be a bigger problem then it is now. Not only that you have a lot of lost housing.

I also feel a lot of people miss what housing means to some people. "what is a digital house, it does not help you play the game any" the problem here is what is missed (and likely SE as well) is the time and effort one goes though to get one, along with furnishing it. A lot of people are not willing to toss that time investment away, while others may not want to repeat that time investment, some may chose to simply quit over not finding it worth it to venture that again, while finding themselves on a dead data center, be it raid or PvP (and may even effect casual stuff like maps) If it has a snowball effect, you should see why some are very concerned about this. Having 2 "RP" servers to carry most of the weight of activity issues is not a smart move.

Eh... Wrong.

It effects everyone equally at this point.

HOW? how does it effect someone who does not have a house vs someone that owns 700 + furnishings "equal"?

You want to talk about selfish? ok, whining about 2 weeks of congestion so we need smaller dead DCs just so some "Special snowflakes" (a term you used) don't have to wait for to access an instance while demanding others lose their house and friendship ties is how I define selfish.

What you said should be reflected right back to you:
You should think about the whole community, and not about your own qualms over Raubahn Ex

Who cares about 2 weeks of congestion if it means keeping the community together. The only selfish I see is you. Did you read posts of other people? I am not the only one saying 2 weeks of congestion > breaking up the community. Also I find it funny how people in your position never address PvP and queue problems during slow times (time that outnumbers congestion by a long shot) Every 2 out of 3 months the game is slow and lowly populated, how in the heck can you justify this split? Selfish? look in a mirror, your stance is the selfish one, not mine.

[xbahax92]

HOW? how does it effect someone who does not have a house vs someone that owns 700 + furnishings "equal"?

You want to talk about selfish? ok, whining about 2 weeks of congestion so we need smaller dead DCs just so some "Special snowflakes" (a term you used) don't have to wait for to access an instance while demanding others lose their house and friendship ties is how I define selfish.

Yep I value "having a good start and less problems" during an expansion higher than people who could lose their plots. There are people like me who are working, having a real life even and some even reserve their few days for vacation to play the game during early access. Its kinda funny that you bring up housing as a strong argument, while lets be honest - housing is empty as it is, the majority is afking in main cities and sub-cities (Rhalgr's Reach). Only a handful of players are owning plots.

You mention PVP and que times in general but whats the problem with that? PVP is done by a small portion anyway. And que times? It will be like before, you have to wait as a dps most while tanks or healers get insta-pop. Always been, no big change. In my opinion this shuffle had to be done at some point, because as it seems that 2 DC on NA and 1 DC in EU was not enough. And opening brand new data centers with only new servers would lead to one thing > closing the older ones.

Also I didnt mention the aspect "friends" on purpose, because I can relate to people giving up a lot of friendships and I dont see a good solution for that either. All I could advice people in this case is, to either decide if a friendship outweighs giving up a plot and move to 1 server all together. Or if not, add yourself on other platforms - discord for example. Friends come and go, and Im sure everyone will eventually make new friends on their new DC's as well.

[Hamada]

Yep I value "having a good start and less problems" during an expansion higher than people who could lose their plots. There are people like me who are working, having a real life even and some even reserve their few days for vacation to play the game during early access. Its kinda funny that you bring up housing as a strong argument, while lets be honest - housing is empty as it is, the majority is afking in main cities and sub-cities (Rhalgr's Reach). Only a handful of players are owning plots.

You mention PVP and que times in general but whats the problem with that? PVP is done by a small portion anyway. And que times? It will be like before, you have to wait as a dps most while a tanks or healers get insta-pop. Always been, no big change. In my opinion this shuffle had to be done at some point, because as it seems that 2 DC on NA and 1 DC in EU was not enough. And opening brand new data centers with only new servers would lead to one thing > closing the older ones.

Also I didnt mention the aspect "friends" on purpose, because I can relate to people giving up a lot of friendships and I dont see a good solution for that either. All I could advice people in this case is, to either decide if a friendship overweights giving up their plot and move to 1 server all together. If not keep, add yourself on other platforms - discord for example. Friends come and go, and Im sure everyone will eventually make new friends on their new DC's as well.

You are missing the point, this should not be a debate at all (friends vs housing). SE should be upgrading their servers and addressing their netcode. I am so sick of bandaid fixes to things, and this is one thing that should be addressed properly. Also SE should of done housing properly by now.

I noticed you withdrew your selfish and snowflake argument. It is good seeing you took a look in the mirror on that idea. I can't believe people think this is SE's only solution, it isn't it is just their cheapest while making the playerbase suffer, they only are about money, not the playerbase.

I should mention I feared the new data center causing a split between West and East Coast North America, meaning an even worse split on worlds. When the servers were in Montreal, I had bad pings. Now that thy are in California, I have good pings. Why? Because I'm on the West Coast. You look at other games and they have East and West Coast data centers, something Final Fantasy XIV does not. A split with Crystal being on the East Coast and Primal being on the West Coast would have meant for logistics I'd need to leave my world as we are being moved too.

And if anyone is saying that all the Primal worlds coming are dead, I had a que (be it 7 people) of world full yesterday. I wouldn't exactly say that is a dead server and we are known on Primal as being the one for crafters and gatherers. I welcome people coming to visit and buying the 380 gear I make as that is a larger market.

What about all the people that had good pings on the east coast that now has bad pings?

the buy only for the markets is also a very bad idea, you will not sell anything if you are in a DC with a crafter bot, like what Cactuar complained about.