Datacenters: A Plea For Community Building, Not Fracturing

[Nalien]

It is a Free Company Mansion... Why do you think I have two Private Rooms?

Oh that reminds me, actually... Free Company Estates aren't even eligible for the Gil refund, right? Excellent.

Like I've said, they could be handling this a lot better, but well... If you want to go for the "you're a minority so this is fine" defense, I guess I'll just stop now. No point continuing this.

The new servers are only coming at/after 5.0. That's what they said.

LMFAO? Are you serious? So they're adding new servers and they wont even benefit from the free transfer? Come on... How the flip can anyone be defending how SE is handling this right now? What a complete joke... I hope you're mistaken, but honestly I kind of expect that level of tact from SE at this point...

[JohnSpawnVFX]

LMFAO? Are you serious? So they're adding new servers and they wont even benefit from the free transfer? Come on... How the flip can anyone be defending how SE is handling this right now? What a complete joke...

Or they'll do free transfers when they come out, like they did with Omega and Louisoix. Cut the kneejerk reactions just to attack SE.

[Nalien]

Or they'll do free transfers when they come out, like they did with Omega and Louisoix. Cut the kneejerk reactions just to attack SE.

It was one thing when this was two weeks around 4.5, but drawing out this uncertainty til early summer? Yeah, sorry, but this is a mess... Why even wait that long to add new servers? Just slap them in along with the split like any sensible person would... Really not looking forward to months of "I hope I can regain this plot" when I want to be excited for the damned expansion instead... Now I potentially have to move server twice? Seriously, this is just a mess... I can't believe how ineptly this whole split is being handled so far...

[Iscah]

Yeah, I think there's always incentives for moving to new servers.

As for fixtures, those are now retrievable - you can't remove them directly, but replace them and the item should reappear in your inventory.

[Hamada]

Again, there's fault on both sides. SE waited so long partly due to the sense of community. And then when they finally did, it took mere seconds for people to start having a fit. SE gave them what they wanted, and the whole DC suffers from it. So yes, please excuse the hate from the rest of the DC when Balmung costs up Sub time because of their congestion.

As for housing yes its a total mess and SE doesn't seem to want to fix it. I'm lucky to have both mine and my FC's house. If I lose them I can just find another place that's quiet and easy to access to afk and enjoy some quiet ambiance.

People are quick to blame the product, but the people are equally guilty here sadly. Just because you can go to the server doesn't mean you should. SE enabled yes, but ultimately the people that went for it are what are causing the problem.

The reason for the overpopulation isn't the issue, the server crashing an entire DC and taking all the other servers with it is the issue.

The player base is just as guilty sadly. It's not all the fault of one side. It's from both sides. A lot of people hate on Balmung because when that server crashes the whole DC, we ALL lose sub time. Not just the server, but the whole DC while its clear that people on Balmung are saying its tech related. Many tech savvy people here on the forums have tried to explain the actual expenses of hardware upgrades. Especially when SE has said they don't wanna have to rebuild their infrastructure from the ground up.

So by trying to force SE to upgrade the servers, SE is executing their last ditch effort to relieve stress: forced moves. The community brought it upon themselves. I'll be losing touch with a few friends, but guess what? That's what things like discord are for.

We're too far in to get SE to change their mind. You just have to accept it. If you wanna try to make a change then you have to speak with your wallet.

SE's fully at fault for this problem, why are you saying otherwise? Fun to insult a group of people? fun to argue with people? Fun to get people upset for no reason?

Also people do not have to accept it, I think people here are missing something critical here. We do not need this game, people are free to unsub to cause SE loss in revue due to disagreeing with these poorly made decisions. The Server crashing a full DC is SE's fault for running outdated hardware/software/ 1.0 coding. The playerbase shouldn't have to put up with it.

Yeah exactly. It would be a Big Problem if everyone had to shell out $18 to transfer, but if everyone can coordinate and decided on where to go, then there's very little to lose. Just like moving in real life. It sucks, and you gotta haul a bunch of stuff around, and get re-situated, but it's not that bad.

More of "this does not effect me so it is not a big deal" It is a big problem, free transfer is not enough, getting gil back is not enough, getting 3 Mil for SE not giving enough inventory space is not enough, we should be getting a house back for SE's shortcoming. We should not be losing anything for a problem SE made.

Also to echo, 700 furnishings is very realistic number for someone. do you want to know the number for 1 character that owns a large house, founder of a FC where the FC house is a large, furnished that, who solo built the shop of 4 airships and 4 subs to max level, a FC room and an apartment? Do you really think 3 mil is anything close to reasonable to put all that together? No gil amount would be, the time invested far outpaces anything SE can offer gil wise, because offering enough gil to everyone in situations like that would cause insane hyperinflation.

We do not want gil, we want our house back, something we earned, something we put a lot of time into, something a free transfer and 3 M gil does not get back.

Lastly, don't you dare think we should ne "grateful" or "thankful" for SE not charging for transfers for 2 weeks. SE knows better then to kill off their game outright. It is not for our benefit. They only care about money and profits.

Then lets not forget players like hosuing cat (a house hoarder that posts here who happens to be on gilgamesh) Guess what kind of players are going to be really making out after this change? The aether playerbase like housing cat who will be able sell Aether housing at insane prices because of the shortage.

People blame the product because the product is at fault. You can't ignore a problem for almost four years than point the finger at the playerbase for not fixing the very problem you created.

So why do you think some want to blame the playerbase?

[Doozer]

More of "this does not effect me so it is not a big deal"

It literally does affect me. I'm transferring worlds once the free transfer period starts, so at the moment I'm trying to get all my ducks in a row, packing all my stuff, dealing with having to disband my FC, etc., and making sure everything is in order to leave.

Lastly, don't you dare think we should ne "grateful" or "thankful" for SE not charging for transfers for 2 weeks.

I also never said that. I said nothing about being grateful, I said it was less of a problem because transferring is free.

[xbahax92]

More of "this does not effect me so it is not a big deal" It is a big problem, free transfer is not enough, getting gil back is not enough, getting 3 Mil for SE not giving enough inventory space is not enough, we should be getting a house back for SE's shortcoming. We should not be losing anything for a problem SE made.

Eh... Wrong.

It effects everyone equally at this point. There are people who agree with this decision since the beginning, players that accept the decision (some faster, some slower) and there are people who act like special snowflakes. To be honest, I feel like people that come here arguing about losing their houses are nothing but selfish. Selfish in a sense, because its all about "Im gonna lose my house! Im gonna lose my free company!"
You should think about the whole community, and not about your own house. You get the chance to play during the early access of a expansion release. Do you really want to bother with the instance issues like last year? Even if they dont put new content behind another Raubahn Ex, the login servers will still be overloaded. And Im sure nobody here has the desire to wait 30min to actually get in the game, then get disconnected and wait another 30min in the que.

The decision is all yours to stay in the game, your server, your data center. Yea, they had a choice to upgrade their servers, but if they cant? What else they can do? Just leave things as it is?

[Hamada]

It literally does affect me. I'm transferring worlds once the free transfer period starts, so at the moment I'm trying to get all my ducks in a row, packing all my stuff, dealing with having to disband my FC, etc., and making sure everything is in order to leave.



I also never said that. I said nothing about being grateful, I said it was less of a problem because transferring is free.

Sorry, that is not really my point or what I was getting at. I mean I guess I could of just quoted "It would be a Big Problem if everyone had to shell out $18 to transfer" but I did not know it was necessary to show that was my sole focus while adding reference to other threads and comments. The blame balmung playerbase is driving me nuts, and I do not get why people want to blame a playerbase for a problem SE made.

Anyways that one line I am quoting from you implies it is not a big deal because the cost in IRL is nothing, free transfers (thus the reason to relate that to the other posts)The problem with this is that it neglects the time people put in housing and those that manage not only their personal house but FC house as well, on top of their own FC rooms, on top of apartments, on top of the workshop.

The other idea here is, the playerbase shouldn't be having to pay 15 dollars a month (some up to over 45 dollars a month) just to get knocked around like this. I really suspect a lot of people will want to return to Aether in fear of having dead PFs, making the situation SE trying to fix, be a bigger problem then it is now. Not only that you have a lot of lost housing.

I also feel a lot of people miss what housing means to some people. "what is a digital house, it does not help you play the game any" the problem here is what is missed (and likely SE as well) is the time and effort one goes though to get one, along with furnishing it. A lot of people are not willing to toss that time investment away, while others may not want to repeat that time investment, some may chose to simply quit over not finding it worth it to venture that again, while finding themselves on a dead data center, be it raid or PvP (and may even effect casual stuff like maps) If it has a snowball effect, you should see why some are very concerned about this. Having 2 "RP" servers to carry most of the weight of activity issues is not a smart move.

Eh... Wrong.

It effects everyone equally at this point.

HOW? how does it effect someone who does not have a house vs someone that owns 700 + furnishings "equal"?

You want to talk about selfish? ok, whining about 2 weeks of congestion so we need smaller dead DCs just so some "Special snowflakes" (a term you used) don't have to wait for to access an instance while demanding others lose their house and friendship ties is how I define selfish.

What you said should be reflected right back to you:
You should think about the whole community, and not about your own qualms over Raubahn Ex

Who cares about 2 weeks of congestion if it means keeping the community together. The only selfish I see is you. Did you read posts of other people? I am not the only one saying 2 weeks of congestion > breaking up the community. Also I find it funny how people in your position never address PvP and queue problems during slow times (time that outnumbers congestion by a long shot) Every 2 out of 3 months the game is slow and lowly populated, how in the heck can you justify this split? Selfish? look in a mirror, your stance is the selfish one, not mine.

[xbahax92]

HOW? how does it effect someone who does not have a house vs someone that owns 700 + furnishings "equal"?

You want to talk about selfish? ok, whining about 2 weeks of congestion so we need smaller dead DCs just so some "Special snowflakes" (a term you used) don't have to wait for to access an instance while demanding others lose their house and friendship ties is how I define selfish.

Yep I value "having a good start and less problems" during an expansion higher than people who could lose their plots. There are people like me who are working, having a real life even and some even reserve their few days for vacation to play the game during early access. Its kinda funny that you bring up housing as a strong argument, while lets be honest - housing is empty as it is, the majority is afking in main cities and sub-cities (Rhalgr's Reach). Only a handful of players are owning plots.

You mention PVP and que times in general but whats the problem with that? PVP is done by a small portion anyway. And que times? It will be like before, you have to wait as a dps most while tanks or healers get insta-pop. Always been, no big change. In my opinion this shuffle had to be done at some point, because as it seems that 2 DC on NA and 1 DC in EU was not enough. And opening brand new data centers with only new servers would lead to one thing > closing the older ones.

Also I didnt mention the aspect "friends" on purpose, because I can relate to people giving up a lot of friendships and I dont see a good solution for that either. All I could advice people in this case is, to either decide if a friendship outweighs giving up a plot and move to 1 server all together. Or if not, add yourself on other platforms - discord for example. Friends come and go, and Im sure everyone will eventually make new friends on their new DC's as well.

[Hamada]

Yep I value "having a good start and less problems" during an expansion higher than people who could lose their plots. There are people like me who are working, having a real life even and some even reserve their few days for vacation to play the game during early access. Its kinda funny that you bring up housing as a strong argument, while lets be honest - housing is empty as it is, the majority is afking in main cities and sub-cities (Rhalgr's Reach). Only a handful of players are owning plots.

You mention PVP and que times in general but whats the problem with that? PVP is done by a small portion anyway. And que times? It will be like before, you have to wait as a dps most while a tanks or healers get insta-pop. Always been, no big change. In my opinion this shuffle had to be done at some point, because as it seems that 2 DC on NA and 1 DC in EU was not enough. And opening brand new data centers with only new servers would lead to one thing > closing the older ones.

Also I didnt mention the aspect "friends" on purpose, because I can relate to people giving up a lot of friendships and I dont see a good solution for that either. All I could advice people in this case is, to either decide if a friendship overweights giving up their plot and move to 1 server all together. If not keep, add yourself on other platforms - discord for example. Friends come and go, and Im sure everyone will eventually make new friends on their new DC's as well.

You are missing the point, this should not be a debate at all (friends vs housing). SE should be upgrading their servers and addressing their netcode. I am so sick of bandaid fixes to things, and this is one thing that should be addressed properly. Also SE should of done housing properly by now.

I noticed you withdrew your selfish and snowflake argument. It is good seeing you took a look in the mirror on that idea. I can't believe people think this is SE's only solution, it isn't it is just their cheapest while making the playerbase suffer, they only are about money, not the playerbase.

I should mention I feared the new data center causing a split between West and East Coast North America, meaning an even worse split on worlds. When the servers were in Montreal, I had bad pings. Now that thy are in California, I have good pings. Why? Because I'm on the West Coast. You look at other games and they have East and West Coast data centers, something Final Fantasy XIV does not. A split with Crystal being on the East Coast and Primal being on the West Coast would have meant for logistics I'd need to leave my world as we are being moved too.

And if anyone is saying that all the Primal worlds coming are dead, I had a que (be it 7 people) of world full yesterday. I wouldn't exactly say that is a dead server and we are known on Primal as being the one for crafters and gatherers. I welcome people coming to visit and buying the 380 gear I make as that is a larger market.

What about all the people that had good pings on the east coast that now has bad pings?

the buy only for the markets is also a very bad idea, you will not sell anything if you are in a DC with a crafter bot, like what Cactuar complained about.