Let's not be too hard on SE about BLU and in general.

[Sylvina]

Whatever our thoughts about eureka, "limited jobs" etc.. I think Naoki Yoshida and the rest of the Square Enix team working on this game really do try and make us as happy as they can with it.

You can't please everyone at once with every piece of content though and that's why there exists parts some people dont like and some others do. Becuase of different wants for each player.

Some may be absolute masochists and demand more ultimate content or that everything be made harder, some may want a mix of challenge and easy so they can choose based on their mood, some dont like having 30+ buttons and some want MORE buttons.

SE is trying as hard as they can to make the most people happy and thats a delicate balancing act, so whatever we think about their decisions lets not be too rude.

[Deithwen]

Hello o/

I do agree that we should always be respectful towards the dev team and Yoshida.

However, I believe feedback should be provided and listened to.

Many times the players gave feedback that proved correct and justified. Remember Monk, Whm and Drk when 4.0 released ? It was bad, and the players base knew it. Many threads were made, many complaints were made too, even before release. The dev team didn't aknowledge this feedback at first, then realized the playerbase was right, and started to work on fixes. And don't get me started on Pagos...

What I mean is, yes the dev team is doing its best. But they need to listen to player base more, and maybe start to think about creating a PTR server. Some problems should have been avoided, because we had some really, really bad game design decisions, which one wouldn't expect from a subbription based MMO. And the latest to date are Blue Mage and the new DC in EU and NA, and both completly killed the hype for 5.0.

[Rymm]

What I mean is, yes the dev team is doing its best. But they need to listen to player base more, and maybe start to think about creating a PTR server. Some problems should have been avoided, because we had some really, really bad game design decisions, which one wouldn't expect from a subbription based MMO. And the latest to date are Blue Mage and the new DC in EU and NA, and both completly killed the hype for 5.0.

You are missing "for me." at the end of this post. Because without it, your wording indicates that the 5.0 hype is dead for everyone, which it certainly is not.

I couldn't be more excited for 5.0 or 4.5 for that matter. The idea of BLU in FF14 never meant that much to me, it would just be another job for me to test out and level up (I'm a completionist in that sense) but it would have been the same as any other job they introduced. The way they are implementing it now, with the new idea of "limited" jobs, has me much more intrigued than a normal job would have. I can't say if I'll end up liking it or not as I haven't tried it yet, but I am eager to give a whirl.

I get that others have differing opinions and that's cool, but it doesn't mean that either of us is right or wrong. Which I guess is the point- SE can't do both so they are going to always end up angering one side or other. Doing something you don't like doesn't automatically mean they are ignoring you. It just means they opted to go a different direction.

(PTR server is something I would totally get behind though.)

[Sylvina]

Hello o/

I do agree that we should always be respectful towards the dev team and Yoshida.

However, I believe feedback should be provided and listened to.

Many times the players gave feedback that proved correct and justified. Remember Monk, Whm and Drk when 4.0 released ? It was bad, and the players base knew it. Many threads were made, many complaints were made too, even before release. The dev team didn't aknowledge this feedback at first, then realized the playerbase was right, and started to work on fixes. And don't get me started on Pagos...

What I mean is, yes the dev team is doing its best. But they need to listen to player base more, and maybe start to think about creating a PTR server. Some problems should have been avoided, because we had some really, really bad game design decisions, which one wouldn't expect from a subbription based MMO. And the latest to date are Blue Mage and the new DC in EU and NA, and both completly killed the hype for 5.0.

I agree feedback is a good thing, it tells the devs the desires of the playerbase. But rude and angry feedback isn't very polite at all. I think everyone falls into that trap once in awhile though.

[BlitzAceRush]

Listening doesn't always mean something needs to be done or done exactly as it's been asked, yes feedback is important and listening to it is also important but there's a difference between listening and not acting on and ignoring.

There are a bunch of people who think savage is a waste of time and shouldn't be made, should SE listen to them and remove it? Or those who think PvP is a waste of resources and should just be scrapped or that Eureka was beyond saving and should just be removed.
Using Eureka as an example they didn't just scrap Eureka despite the "outcry" they made adjustments in response to peoples complaints Pagos missed the mark and they tried too hard focusing on complaints that the train made it boring but with Pryos they listened and dialled a lot back, moved the dragons to one side, increased the xp gains e.c.t.

Just because they don't do what we may want doesn't mean they ignore us, not every idea we have is great, and we're also not one voice, we're many voices asking for often conflicting things, some people hate what BLU will be, some like it, others are indifferent, some want small changes, some want massive, colossal overhauling changes, who exactly do they listen to?

We also need to think about what feedback we're asking for, BLU and the data centres are likely too far along to be totally scrapped/redone so yelling at them to do so is not them ignoring you, simply being unable to do that, instead we need to focus on asking for things more likely to be possible/considered.

We also need to take into consideration when providing feedback that we simply don't know enough, we don't know where they intend to take BLU, will it ever be at cap? Are any of it's current limits planned to be relaxed?
Are they planning any kind of cross data centre interaction in the future? We just don't know and we need to take into account as well when we ask for things.

[redcurrant18]

Blue mages being able to learn their magic from monsters > Blue mages learning their abilities from just leveling
Beastmasters able to charm monsters as pets > Beastmasters reduced to summoning mini monsters pets like summoner

I'd rather play these as limited jobs that still have their core identity than if they had lost them. Don't let them nerf Blue Mage like they did to summoner to get it to "fit in".

[NessaWyvern]

The thing is, it's locked at lvl 50. Why play BLU in the lvl 50 overworld when your lvl 70 characters can kill everything in one or two hits. Why go lvl 50 BLU in PF duties when most people unsync them in. BLU may be fun to play and collect abilities on, but once you have, it's almost useless. That's my gripe with it.

[Reynhart]

The thing is, it's locked at lvl 50. Why play BLU in the lvl 50 overworld when your lvl 70 characters can kill everything in one or two hits. Why go lvl 50 BLU in PF duties when most people unsync them in. BLU may be fun to play and collect abilities on, but once you have, it's almost useless. That's my gripe with it.

Why level another job when you already have your main lvl 70 and can do every content with it ? Because it's fun to play something different for a while, especially right before a new expansion, a time period where new content is the most scarce.

Is it too hard to ask for a BLU I could main?

No, it's not. But I'm not sure people would really be pleased to see BLU twisted and gimped to fit it. Especially since we still don't know for how long BLU will have a reduced level cap. For all we know it could be bumped to 80 at 5.0, because the new content could be designed to be BLU-proof from the get-go. As I said elsewhere, if the level cap of the game was 30. SCH would be totally broken and I'd understand removing it from matchmaking.

[DeaconMoore]

No, it's not. But I'm not sure people would really be pleased to see BLU twisted and gimped to fit it. Especially since we still don't know for how long BLU will have a reduced level cap. For all we know it could be bumped to 80 at 5.0, because the new content could be designed to be BLU-proof from the get-go. As I said elsewhere, if the level cap of the game was 30. SCH would be totally broken and I'd understand removing it from matchmaking.

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Ok...

Here's the thing, why on earth would a game designer purposefully design a class that is broken? Now, don't get me wrong, I know it's easy to do that, I've done it myself, but you don't just stop there when designing. You look at your monster, take a step back, and tweak it so it's not broken while maintaining the feel you want it to have. Seriously, take a look at even Black Mages. They managed to present them as a class and yet where are all their instant death spells? Those spells appear in other FF games starting with the first one, so why not here? Hmm, probably because they're too OP and defeat the feel and nature of a MMO style game they were putting the class in.

This is an MMO not a single player game. All classes should be able to play together at will. No class should be banned from content because it's OP/broken. It should be designed to be playable in all the content.

Unless they're going to change direction on what they've shown I really doubt BLU will be level 80 and allowed in all content in 5.0; it'll be 6.0+ before we see level 80 BLU given what's been said thus far.

BLU as is isn't even a class, it's really just a mini-game. How's that not twisting and gimping it?