Blue mage and why I like the idea

[jon041065]

And you realize that, while the first iteration of blue mage is limited to level 50 and no matched instances, they also indicated future levels and future content?

You realize that the naysayers are in arms, not because there's a brand new concept in game, but because their oh-so-desired 'main' can't engage in all of the content at release?

You realize that this currently limited job is going to be introduced into the game at the end of this expansion, when any and all new content is welcome? And that it might not be so limited once SE has data showing how it plays out in 'set party instances'?

Get back to me when you actually do all of that content in an hour.

They didn't state that it is a beta/testing phase. They stated their intention with the job.



This is what my side is against. This is what we want to see fail. And as I said in my previous post, I hope that blue mage doesn't die but that they see the feedback and decide to revamp it to a full job. They should take the time to make full jobs AND open world/side content. Hopefully it was just an awful presentation or they are open to dropping the restrictions after they get our feedback.

I realize that it's the first iteration and what the "naysayers are in arms" for because it's exactly as you said. Can't main the job in the full job and they gave no reason to believe it will in the future UNLESS the feedback is that bad. Most on my side are attacking what's on that slide and the bad excuses for it. Only a few are attacking things beyond that scope and I've been calling things out like "there's zero point in a solo job".

Yes, blu is coming out at the end of the expansion and it's obviously content meant to increase sub retention. Pissing off a lot of people by turning their favorite FF job that they wanted to main in the full game into something so limited does not help with sub retention. It also will lead to even more people telling others not to return or try out the game. I do hope that the data shows SE that blu and limited jobs will not work out. That they shouldn't segregate things like this and just put in various content without these hard restrictions.

I won't be doing the content in a hour because I won't be subbed. I'm using the only real power a player has and voting with my wallet.

[Jkap_Goat]

Showing my support for blue mage and excited for patch 4.5!! Thank you Yoshi p and dev team again for your hard work and making Blu truly blue mage. Thank you for sticking with it's identity!

[Dualgunner]

Showing my support for blue mage and excited for patch 4.5!! Thank you Yoshi p and dev team again for your hard work and making Blu truly blue mage. Thank you for sticking with it's identity!

I loved every other Final Fantasy how when you put a BLU on the field, the rest of the party disappeared.

[Videra]

SE's current plan for Blue Mage will probably die out within a month after 4.5's release. It will become a stagnant piece of content that very few people participate in, and as a result, likely to be abandoned. Blue Mage being stuck in total irrelevance is extremely frustrating.

[Jkap_Goat]

Showing my support again for blue mage! So excited to play blue mage! Can't wait to see more limited jobs!! Thank you Yoshi p!

[Mholito]

It's kinda sad that you can't say anything positive about BLU without attracting this crowd:

[MeowingKittens]

Personally, I like the idea of what they're doing with Blue. But maybe marketing it as "limited" perhaps wasn't the best way to present it. It gives the impression it is a watered down or beta of a full-fledged job, when the reality is it's something completely different that doesn't fit into the mold of the other combat jobs.

Maybe they could have had blue keep what gives it its identity and made it raid ready and balanced. But they didn't, and they were under ZERO obligation to ever do so; regardless of what anyone has to say about how "easy" it would be. WE are not in the ones calling the shots. And it's okay to be disappointed or apprehensive about their choice to impliment blue as they are.

But that doesn't mean people can take that disappointment and start making demands to Yoshi and team. As our own knowledge of the job is quite limited itself, pretty much everyone's opinion about how the job will ACTUALLY function (and if it was worth the time and resources) is worth absolutely nothing because they are uninformed and uneducated.

Maybe it'll actually be really fun and something to fill the time waiting on those long DPS queues. Maybe it will be complete trash. No one knows. I think they are aware they are taking a risk with this job, but I'd rather them do so and fail than have never tried. It won't ruin anything about what's already enjoyable about the game.

[Ramesses]

Full disclosure... I am excited and thoroughly looking forward to playing the Blue Mage job exactly as it has been designed by the Dev Team.

Since it's announcement, I've been very amused at the general amount of negative uproar generated from the fact that it is a limited job with its own unique approach to solo play. Thus, I've generally steered away from making comments on the issue, maintained a comfortable seat on the sidelines with my popcorn and have been watching the drama unfold.

I also continue to find it incredibly fascinating how there are extremely few people who understand that there is a massive demographic of players around the world who prefer aspects of solo play for a multitude bevy of reasons.

In fact, I personally have a couple friends (who I have met since my FFXI days) who are thrilled about the possibilities that BLU's solo play brings because they are dealing with aspects of social anxiety... one is in Amsterdam (she absolutely hates raiding), the other is in Japan --he got me into the dot.hack GU games back in 2007 and helped me understand what his life was like as hikikomori, which is now a global issue.

There are times that the human condition makes us oblivious to the struggles of our fellow human standing right beside us... I keep learning a lot more about my staff at work just by interacting more with them; not just by hanging out with them at the pub now and then. This was also true for me even back in grad school. Thus, I admire the fact that the Devs seriously sat down to develop a concept that would cater to one of the ideals of solo play while also emphasizing a method for people to interact more. That is just gold.

So yes... bring on Blue Mage as it is and let's all test drive it thoroughly before making judgement... let's have fun with it first and work together to work out any future kinks we find. Heck, I might even create a linkshell called "Blue Man Group" when it releases. Phenomenal show by the way.

[jon041065]

It's kinda sad that you can't say anything positive about BLU without attracting this crowd:

It's kinda sad that you can't say anything negative about limited BLU without getting attacked for your point of view. I have said multiple times that there are people on our side that are being too negative saying things like there is no point in solo content in MMORPGS but there are more of us saying that we would like to see BOTH sides get what they want and think it's possible.

But maybe marketing it as "limited" perhaps wasn't the best way to present it. It gives the impression it is a watered down or beta of a full-fledged job, when the reality is it's something completely different that doesn't fit into the mold of the other combat jobs.

Calling it something else wouldn't change the fact that it is restricted in a way that our side finds unacceptable.

Maybe they could have had blue keep what gives it its identity and made it raid ready and balanced. But they didn't, and they were under ZERO obligation to ever do so; regardless of what anyone has to say about how "easy" it would be. WE are not in the ones calling the shots. And it's okay to be disappointed or apprehensive about their choice to impliment blue as they are.

But that doesn't mean people can take that disappointment and start making demands to Yoshi and team. As our own knowledge of the job is quite limited itself, pretty much everyone's opinion about how the job will ACTUALLY function (and if it was worth the time and resources) is worth absolutely nothing because they are uninformed and uneducated.

We don't know everything about limited blu yet but they did present some of their design choices and the reasons why and that's what we are against. Info that we have already been given and that we are giving feedback on it. SE isn't obligated to do what we want but were people wrong to complain about 2.0 smn and about bow mage in Heavensward? Is it wrong that our side is giving feedback on what they have already told us?

Maybe it'll actually be really fun and something to fill the time waiting on those long DPS queues. Maybe it will be complete trash. No one knows. I think they are aware they are taking a risk with this job, but I'd rather them do so and fail than have never tried. It won't ruin anything about what's already enjoyable about the game.

Glad the job that many of us waited years to main could potentially serve as a time killer why you wait in queues. That makes it sound more like a mini game than an actual combat job and that's what we are against.

Full disclosure... I am excited and thoroughly looking forward to playing the Blue Mage job exactly as it has been designed by the Dev Team.

Since it's announcement, I've been very amused at the general amount of negative uproar generated from the fact that it is a limited job with its own unique approach to solo play. Thus, I've generally steered away from making comments on the issue, maintained a comfortable seat on the sidelines with my popcorn and have been watching the drama unfold.

I also continue to find it incredibly fascinating how there are extremely few people who understand that there is a massive demographic of players around the world who prefer aspects of solo play for a multitude bevy of reasons.

In fact, I personally have a couple friends (who I have met since my FFXI days) who are thrilled about the possibilities that BLU's solo play brings because they are dealing with aspects of social anxiety... one is in Amsterdam (she absolutely hates raiding), the other is in Japan --he got me into the dot.hack GU games back in 2007 and helped me understand what his life was like as hikikomori, which is now a global issue.

There are times that the human condition makes us oblivious to the struggles of our fellow human standing right beside us... I keep learning a lot more about my staff at work just by interacting more with them; not just by hanging out with them at the pub now and then. This was also true for me even back in grad school. Thus, I admire the fact that the Devs seriously sat down to develop a concept that would cater to one of the ideals of solo play while also emphasizing a method for people to interact more. That is just gold.

So yes... bring on Blue Mage as it is and let's all test drive it thoroughly before making judgement... let's have fun with it first and work together to work out any future kinks we find. Heck, I might even create a linkshell called "Blue Man Group" when it releases. Phenomenal show by the way.

Just as there are people from your side that are oblivious to the fact that a lot of us wanted to main blue mage so will be disappointed no matter how fun the limited blu content might be. Jobs shouldn't cater to any single type of player. They should be for everyone then there be types of content for you to choose to take the jobs into.

There are people on our side that are just against solo content period but it's disingenuous to act like there isn't more of us that are saying we want both sides to get what they want. Solo content can be added to the game and NOT require solo jobs.

[Mholito]

It's kinda sad that you can't say anything negative about limited BLU without getting attacked for your point of view. I have said multiple times that there are people on our side that are being too negative saying things like there is no point in solo content in MMORPGS but there are more of us saying that we would like to see BOTH sides get what they want and think it's possible.

It was not directed at you though. It was directed to those that feel the need to antagonize everyone that dares to speak positively about the idea. Though you claim to be speaking for the majority of those that want BLU implemented as a regular job, that does unfortunately not stop the overwhelming agression directed towards those of us that actually like the current plans. Just take a look through the various BLU-related topics on this forum and look for the posts that are in favor of it, then look at the next few responses after them.