Blue mage and why I like the idea

[miqi]

Disclaimer: I don't have the same passion around blue mages as others might have

So when it comes down to it, dps classes is just a matter of potency and how you deliver them. it would feel uderwhelming to use Primal abilities and have them hit the same as a Flare and it would be as underwhelming to be using 100 Needles instead of a 10000 needles to have the animation / skill match the potency delivery.
I see this as the only actual method for a blue mage to be a part of ff14 and stay true to its nature.
I'm actually really looking forward to it. I consider it to be like "Brawl" in world of warcraft. solo pve arena content to test your boundaries and limits. although the encounters might be solo, the bragging rights of having completed certain levels within the arena would be the same as having the achievement of soloing palace of the dead to floor 200. there's still the social mmo aspect of having the same character being able to test yourself in a solo environment and later the same evening attend a raid as one of your many other classes and discuss your encounters in the blue mage arena and how you beat them with what ability setups.
I think this approach to "classes that in the ff universe would seem overpowered in a mmo setting", really allowes us to experience all or most of the ff that we know and love.
Even more so and this is just a wet fantasy for me. imagine the same arena setting, but you get to play historic characters from the ff universe in temporary cycling events "Play as Cloud with his unique abilities and fight infamous monsters from ff7 during the celebrating of ff7 anniversary.

This is just my 5 cent on the topic and this system really has the ability to branch out and become so much more if we as community embrace and welcome it properly

-- And I can completely understand the idea of Class identity between the gamer and the character --
However for players like me who don't see a Dragoon in the raid performing the magical dragonic arts or a red mage balancing the dark and light energies. but who only see DPS, Tanks, Healers, buffs, debuffs, applications. encounters. successrate etc.
having a system where we can test awesome primal animations or signature abilities that applies various factors to an encounter WITHOUT shifting the balance of actual progression content just seems like a great idea

Honestly, Bring in beast tamer, let us get special S-rank hunts of unique beasts that can be tamed and let us put our skills to test as tamers in a solo arena or even, in a pvp "pokemon" style setting. beast tamer 3 pets vs 3 pets, apply element weakness, slashing, piercing etc.

Let us become Singers (ffx-2) collect song manuscripts from dungeons and through guitar hero style mechanics, compete in the gold saucer vs each other for completion rates. (ok maybe I've gone too far with this gone)

But in a day and age where most companies just copy each other to guarantee certain level of succesrates. allow some creativity to sprout.

OR they could eventually add core abilities to make the job raidable. Honestly don't understand why you made this thread, you're already getting what you want, so why not give both sides of the community what they want?

Because while I can understand why people who've played FFXI and are pasionate about wanting the somewhat same experience in ffXIV, we currently live in a day and age where it's extremely mainstream to hate on things that others are hating on.
Some hate or frustration is justified while some hate is ignorance.

While justified hate and frustration can be taken into debate through criticism and constructive feedback based on various experiences and potentially enhance the game.
While hate through ignorance from an extremely vocal minority can lead to otherwise great mechanics or gameplay experience to be lost or even pontential future mechanics or gameplay experiences based on the previous mentioned to never happen.

So I take my liberty to speak out loud why I believe it's a good thing to have these kind of mechanics, and I choose to do so on a general discussion forum that's currently filled with a lot of negative posts on this specific topic in hope of perhaps enligthen those who complain just to complain


In short, I'm sorry it was labeled "BLUE MAGE" and not a brand new class that people wouldn't have an association with because perhaps that way it would be recieved with a more positive approach.


In the same way that Diablo immortal couldve been a good / neutral thing if a certain company would already have an established modern game in the same franchise or perhaps a new annoucement to go with it.

[JaydeDancer]

I also support their decision on how to implement BLU without ruining the balance of the game. Yokozawa-san and Yoshi-P, I think that you have made a good decision regarding the best way to bring Blue Mage to FFXIV, and I fully support it.

The only thing I was a bit disappointed about with BLU was the Masked Carnival. I was expecting something more like Palace of the Dead where it's an instanced dungeon with landscapes and various mobs roaming around that you can battle and gain abilities from. I wasn't expecting a PvP-type arena. I was hoping for something with lots of purple and green hues, haha. -shrugs- Oh well.

[diruulth]

OR they could eventually add core abilities to make the job raidable. Honestly don't understand why you made this thread, you're already getting what you want, so why not give both sides of the community what they want?

[miqi]

OR they could eventually add core abilities to make the job raidable. Honestly don't understand why you made this thread, you're already getting what you want, so why not give both sides of the community what they want?

Because while I can understand why people who've played FFXI and are pasionate about wanting the somewhat same experience in ffXIV, we currently live in a day and age where it's extremely mainstream to hate on things that others are hating on.
Some hate or frustration is justified some some hate is ignorance.

While justified hate and frustration can be taken into debate through criticism and constructive feedback based on various experiences and potentially enhance the game.
While hate through ignorance from an extremely vocal minority can lead to otherwise great mechanics or gameplay experience to be lost or even pontential future mechanics or gameplay experiences based on the previous mentioned to never happen.

So I take my liberty to speak out loud why I believe it's a good thing to have these kind of mechanics, and I choose to do so on a general discussion forum that's currently filled with a lot of negative posts on this specific topic in hope of perhaps enligthen those who complain just to complain


In short, I'm sorry it was labeled "BLUE MAGE" and not a brand new class that people wouldn't have an association with because perhaps that way it would be recieved with a more positive approach.


In the same way that Diablo immortal couldve been a good / neutral thing if a certain company would already have an established modern game in the same franchise or perhaps a new annoucement to go with it.

[ValentineSnow]

Because while I can understand why people who've played FFXI and are pasionate about wanting the somewhat same experience in ffXIV, we currently live in a day and age where it's extremely mainstream to hate on things that others are hating on.
Some hate or frustration is justified some some hate is ignorance.

While justified hate and frustration can be taken into debate through criticism and constructive feedback based on various experiences and potentially enhance the game.
While hate through ignorance from an extremely vocal minority can lead to otherwise great mechanics or gameplay experience to be lost or even pontential future mechanics or gameplay experiences based on the previous mentioned to never happen.

So I take my liberty to speak out loud why I believe it's a good thing to have these kind of mechanics, and I choose to do so on a general discussion forum that's currently filled with a lot of negative posts on this specific topic in hope of perhaps enligthen those who complain just to complain


In short, I'm sorry it was labeled "BLUE MAGE" and not a brand new class that people wouldn't have an association with because perhaps that way it would be recieved with a more positive approach.


In the same way that Diablo immortal couldve been a good / neutral thing if a certain company would already have an established modern game in the same franchise or perhaps a new annoucement to go with it.

Let me frame this for you oh enlightened one. Say you're a SMN and for shadowbringers they say "we are going to let you summon full primals including Odin!" WOW THAT'S AWESOME! "Of course these summons would be far too powerful, so from now on the entire summoner job is now locked out from all content except this little play pen we've built for you.". Yes, rather than balance full primals for the game, or just lock that specific part of summoner behind solo/undersized whatever, they lock the ENTIRE JOB out of all content. You think summoner mains wouldn't have something to say about that?

You're not some superior intellect for having a different opinion from the rest of us plebs. Maybe people are upset that their favourite job is relegated to a glorified mini-game rather than just being ignorant?

[SDaemon]

OR they could eventually add core abilities to make the job raidable. Honestly don't understand why you made this thread, you're already getting what you want, so why not give both sides of the community what they want?

For the same reason people make threads to voice their complaints. Voicing your support of a design decision is just as necessary/important as voicing complaints.

[Bacent]

OR they could eventually add core abilities to make the job raidable. Honestly don't understand why you made this thread, you're already getting what you want, so why not give both sides of the community what they want?

If you try to give everyone what they want, then no one truly gets what they want.

Make one pie for 20 people of a flavour everyone is 'okay with', everyone barely gets anything at all. Just because raids are in games does NOT mean everything has to be catered to do so. Many people have also argued in the past that blue mage CAN NOT be run in a traditional means with our battle system without it feeling a bit stale, to say the very least.

Anyone can come along and say 'just make it do everything'. But I haven't seen anything that I've actually agreed with that would make it work outside of what they have it planned as. Your comment is like a plain flavoured popsicle, aka frozen water.

[MsQi]

OR they could eventually add core abilities to make the job raidable. Honestly don't understand why you made this thread, you're already getting what you want, so why not give both sides of the community what they want?

"Core Abilities" should be learnable abilities, possibly altered versions of other learned abilities. So if you want to go into random groups you need to have learned all the abilities on a list. The list get's longer for higher level content. there could be lists for all three roles but you can only queue for that role if you have the complete list for that role and level of content.

In pre-mades you would be in your "outside" form still, or have the option to switch.

[Dualgunner]

OR they could eventually add core abilities to make the job raidable. Honestly don't understand why you made this thread, you're already getting what you want, so why not give both sides of the community what they want?

I want BLU for raids too, but someone giving positive feedback regarding this job is just as valid as someone being critical of their decision.

[Jkap_Goat]

Im just happy they kept BLU true to it's roots and not stuck in a Trinity system and I'm very happy to actually be going out and learning all these monsters spells and being a tank - healer hybrid or Anything I actually want!

blue mage doesn't fit in the Trinity system, and I'm happy it's not. I can't wait to see more of these limited jobs and very excited to play blue