All that BLU hate is just absurd

[Derio]

I think its justified if they are making it limited in a sense that eventually they will find a way to add it to the game in a balanced pre-set way to where it can join endgame content, however they need it in its limited form now to do some testing, gather feedback etc.

[BillyKaplan]

however they need it in its limited form now to do some testing, gather feedback etc.

I think that if that were the case, Yoshi-P would've said as much, instead of "we're going to give BLU Level 5 Death and so we can't have you taking BLU into relevant end-game content".
If they change it so BLU can partake in... the rest of the game... it's only because of this feedback we're giving now.

[Riardon]

At least SE is trying something new this time even if this is not your cup for tea.
What worries me with BLU is its longevity as a job.
Once you lvl it up to the max what are you going to do with it?
Since you can't participate to anything with it seems like it would be a dead job pretty soon.

[LeoLupinos]

I could quote everyone that was absolute ignorant and provocative in this thread, but I will simply say to all that mocking players: The devs will not change anything, because it's awesome already. Deal with it.

Blue Mage will expand MUCH more. Every new primal added will potentially include a new BLU action.
I don't know why some ppl are afraid of BLU being out of duty finder. Don't you run Savage with party finder anyway? What's the difference? Just start using it, all of the BLU will start using party finder, and I'm more than sure that BLU will be able to tank and heal, potentially becoming a full party of BLU for casual content.

I'd prefer SE to cancel BLU completely than to fit in the SAME OLD JOB FORMULA.

[BillyKaplan]

The devs will not change anything, because it's awesome already.

Hold up everyone, we have a time-traveler here! Who came back especially to tell us how BLU is in the future!

I don't know why some ppl are afraid of BLU being out of duty finder.

>> People like job
>> people want to main job in game they play
It's not rocket science

I'd prefer SE to cancel BLU completely than to fit in the SAME OLD JOB FORMULA.

Funny, that's how a lot of people feel about BLU with the new formula. But unlike you and your ilk, the naysayers aren't saying to take away the Masked Carnival. There's the difference.

[Sigma-Astra]

I could quote everyone that was absolute ignorant and provocative in this thread, but I will simply say to all that mocking players: The devs will not change anything, because it's awesome already. Deal with it.

And we could quote you in saying how extremely ultra sensitive you are towards the fact that other people disagreeing with your opinions on a public forum warrants you to childishly lash out and start calling people ignorant. The only provocative person in this thread right now is you. If you want an echo chamber, go to Facebook or Tumblr to proclaim that the only opinion that has value is your own if you can't handle people not liking the idea of Blue Mage's implements.

Maybe you need to learn how to deal with other people not liking what you like before standing on that milk crate and puffing out your chest. You're not special.

Don't you run Savage with party finder anyway?

Maybe not mock other people being ignorant when you're misinformed about a piece of content you obviously don't even play yourself.

[SendohJin]

I don't know why some ppl are afraid of BLU being out of duty finder. Don't you run Savage with party finder anyway? What's the difference? Just start using it, all of the BLU will start using party finder, and I'm more than sure that BLU will be able to tank and heal, potentially becoming a full party of BLU for casual content.

it can't be used in any Party Finder content above Lv 50, the only below level 50 content i've done in the last year is when i get Lv 1-49 for WT and the very occasional Leveling Roulette that BLU also won't be able to do.

that's not "afraid", that's just useless.

I'd prefer SE to cancel BLU completely than to fit in the SAME OLD JOB FORMULA.

i'd prefer they cancel BLU too and spend the dev time elsewhere.

[Seraphor]

"Dev responses". Are you a dev?

I did not say it would be side-content because it's staggered. The two are separate. It will be staggered. It will be side-content. It will therefore be staggered side-content. Nothing I said implied a connection between the two. I never implied you, or even the devs, made a connection between those two qualities.

You specifically said that I had taken a reason to dislike it and made it worse.
So what did i say if it wasnt what i said?

[Shurrikhan]

You specifically said that I had taken a reason to dislike it and made it worse.
So what did i say if it wasnt what i said?

You seem to be confusing yourself. Here.

From this we cannot tell how our content will be affected beyond gradual level cap increased and lack of a duty finder. If it's 50 in 4.5, 60 in 5.0, 70 in 5.1 and 80 in 5.2, then we'll have an on content Blue Mage in 5.2.
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I think too many conclusions are being drawn.
Known facts:
In 4.5 it'll be limited to level 50 to trial the job.
It'll not be able to use the duty finder.
It'll be able to queue in premades. Party finder remains an option. They cannot do roulettes, but exp boost elsewhere.
We know the job will use enemy abilities by learning them from fighting them and have a percentage chance to learn.
We know it'll start from level 1 with one skill and seen a handful of them.
We know SE plans to increase the level cap with patches. How that'll work or their reasoning we don't know.
We do not know how flexibile SE is based on the feedback they get once we play the job.
We don't know how the job itself will play, how OP it will be of how it works in the "solo play" dynamic or what content is accessible or whether it is enjoyable. We also don't know if it is going to be completely true to how it worked in XI, this much is only inferred from the existing FFXI logic they've used. So we don't know if it something that can tank/heal/DPS. but we do know it'll get ranged magic DPS gear.

From this we cannot tell if the "cannot use duty finder" aspect will be dire, we don't know how it'll be once people are forced to not rely on it. We could see the Party Finder used more for group content as a result of this and people get used to the idea of using this more in addition to Duty Finder. Of course, it could remain as is and people instinctively go for their duty roulettes.

From this we cannot tell how the job will play.
From this we cannot tell how our content will be affected beyond gradual level cap increased and lack of a duty finder. If it's 50 in 4.5, 60 in 5.0, 70 in 5.1 and 80 in 5.2, then we'll have an on content Blue Mage in 5.2. If we're talking mid patches, it could be sooner. If we're talking every other patch, you get the idea. The lack of duty finder is not the end of the world, it makes partying harder, but SE has at least given us too tools and we're not quite back to the old MMO days of shouting for groups. It could be that Blue Mage is tough enough to handle most content on their own and not need a party.
We cannot tell if limited jobs is an entirely new aspect of game play isolated from the current raid content and as an alternative type of content. We cannot tell if the case that it's going to be good or that it's going to be awful, like many of us found Eureka to be.

There's too much uncertainty to know that it's going to be awful and conversely that it is going to be amazing. I am not sure why people are losing their minds just yet. At least when its out in a couple of months, we can find out how concerns have been addressed. But I expect in 4.5 it is going to be a taster and the true representation of it will be in 5.0, but at least at 4.5 we can have a better idea either way.

This is probably the best case scenario that a lot of critical people are hoping we end up with and are trying to get the devs to consider. I still find it objectionable to beta test jobs on paying customers.

Was Eureka beta testing?
How about omega raids, were O1-4 beta tests for O9-12?
Woukd you rather we didnt get Blue Mage at all until 5.2?

Its not beta testing, its just staggered content, a fundamental of MMOs.

You've taken a reason for disappointment and replaced it with a reason for disgust.

As Reinha said, BLU being in extended "beta-testing" until 8.1 or beyond would still be the best case scenario. If it's not a testing phase, then the only intent to remain is that it always be staggered behind real content, that it will never be a real job and will never make a positive impact on the existing roster or core content.

Sadly, dev responses so far suggest you're correct. It will probably be staggered side-content, and nothing more.

First, possibility with a reason to be disappointed: BLU will approach a real job bit by bit and eventually be included in real content while it's still real and current, but not for a while. (The intent of the delay is to ensure true readiness.)

Your second possibility, equivalent to what other posters here have shown disgust with: BLU will never be a real job, but simply be released in addition patches of its own as further side-content. (The product has not been delayed. It is merely being released as intended -- in parts, just as Eureka was before.)

Your tone implied you thought it reasonable that second possibility should be seen as better. As both persons before yourself in that conversation already treated what you suggested in defense of BLU's implementation, as had been revealed to players thus far, as the worst option, I was confused as to why you would choose this form of placation.

tl;dr: "Well, at least it's not just shit for shit's sake." "True, we could make crops with this." "What?! This shit is 100% pure! Stop trying to repurpose it for irrelevant things. It's not for aiding some later product; it will be what it will be, just as it was intended to be." "*Facepalm* You really don't know how to sell fecal matter, do you? Here, let me clarify the buyers' interests here."

Obviously, BLU side-content is kind of decent if appreciated in a certain way. But that clearly wasn't a way to which the people you were responding to found as appreciable. So I attempted to clarify the arguments thus far, since you seemed badly off-base. If my tone seemed defensive, it was likely because I couldn't tell whether your misunderstanding was in fact intentional.

[LeoLupinos]

Hold up everyone, we have a time-traveler here! Who came back especially to tell us how BLU is in the future!

I don’t need to travel to future to know that SE will not change anything about BLU. Do you really think that they will just trash 1 year of development? That’s naive.

>> People like job
>> people want to main job in game they play
It's not rocket science

You can main BLU, when they open the level cap to 70 and start SDBR. But they will gradually do it, so that the players base can level it up evenly, while also getting feedback. That’s strategy.

Funny, that's how a lot of people feel about BLU with the new formula. But unlike you and your ilk, the naysayers aren't saying to take away the Masked Carnival. There's the difference

Ppl are just saying NO for a thing that they don’t know anything about, also didn’t test it. That’s being in denial.

And we could quote you in saying how extremely ultra sensitive you are towards the fact that other people disagreeing with your opinions on a public forum warrants you to childishly lash out and start calling people ignorant. The only provocative person in this thread right now is you. If you want an echo chamber, go to Facebook or Tumblr to proclaim that the only opinion that has value is your own if you can't handle people not liking the idea of Blue Mage's implements.

I respect others opinion, but that does not give them immunity for the true fact that they are judging something they didn’t play or test, or truly know about. Yes, I’m being provocative towards the ignorants, if you feel taunted, I have some news for you.
All people have the right to have their opinion, if they like or not. I did only say that SE will not change anything, and my opinion is that I preffer SE to cancel BLU than to fit it in the same old jov formula. It seems it’s YOU the person who is not respecting opinions.

Maybe you need to learn how to deal with other people not liking what you like before standing on that milk crate and puffing out your chest. You're not special.

SE not changing anything is unfortunatelly a fact, I’m just being realistic. If anyone wants to be naive and believe that SE will trash 1 year of development, that’s their choice.

Maybe not mock other people being ignorant when you're misinformed about a piece of content you obviously don't even play yourself.

Oh, do you clear savage with duty finder? That’s new. Seems like YOU is the one who not doing savage. Everybody knows that party finder and statics are the meta.
BLU will evolve in future patchs, it will not be lv 50 forever. I believe they will unlock Lv 70 until SDBR, so that everyone can level it evenly and start SDBR as main BLU.

it can't be used in any Party Finder content above Lv 50, the only below level 50 content i've done in the last year is when i get Lv 1-49 for WT and the very occasional Leveling Roulette that BLU also won't be able to do.

that's not "afraid", that's just useless.

They will unlock the level 70 until SDBR. That’s just their strategy to keep the players doing something until SDBR. You can do roullete with party finder. BLU is only being moved out of “Automatic party formation”. Is that hard for you to make yourself a party where everyone will try to level BLU? I trully can’t see me waiting more than 5 min for a light party.

i'd prefer they cancel BLU too and spend the dev time elsewhere.

What elsewhere? I’m afraid you –gasp- don’t know.