The Blue Mage Argument at a glance

[GrenGarm]

Even though we're getting this job next patch, I still consider this to be a 5.0 job.

If you think this will become a regular max-level job in or after 5.0, that is never going to happen. They wouldn't go out of their way to stir all this up and designate BLU as a "Limited Job" just to back out in six months.

BLU is a side quest. Or you can do obsolete content with friends. That's it. That's all it will ever be. There's NO indication of anything else.

[AC9Breaker]

If you think this will become a regular max-level job in or after 5.0, that is never going to happen. They wouldn't go out of their way to stir all this up and designate BLU as a "Limited Job" just to back out in six months.

BLU is a side quest. Or you can do obsolete content with friends. That's it. That's all it will ever be. There's NO indication of anything else.

I don't understand the point you're trying to make here?
I said Blue Mage is a 5.0 job, so its design choices are strictly for 5.0 in mind. With that said, once 5.0 is here we will eventually see them raise the level cap of the class ergo, more availability in the instances they can take on.

This is information that was released during the announcement. This is not speculation. They have said the level cap will increase. Facts. No where did I claim or say this job would become part of the meta role jobs.

[Darkpaw]

Then I would have rather it not be implemented personally, there's nothing really to what you're saying besides "They weren't even going to add it to the game you should be happy they put it in" which I don't really know how to respond to? I would have either liked them to find a compromise like they did with RDM or not add it in, and that's not me being selfish that's me saying "I feel like putting resources elsewhere would be better".

Naomi.

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It is though, what other class has a defined content ceiling locked at level 50 dungeons only? if you're fine hopping on and off and doing other things that's fine, I'm not arguing against that, my issue is that a Job should not inherently be more restricted than other jobs.

I can thoroughly enjoy all these people who point out that RDM got compromised... From what FFXI? the core identity of the job is still intact. Jack of all trades master of none, Heals, rez, support, decent damage for it's utility.. so tell me where exactly was the compromise? I mean sure it's probably different from XI but as has been stated all over these forums. FFXIV is not XI and will never be so stop using that as a basis for arguments, and while you can't come up with a good counter point to my first point allow me to respond to you.

Your personal feelings should not and do not hold decision making power over this dev team, none of ours do. Because they don't make this game with our opinions. They make this game as they see fit and try to give us what we ask for along the way. Which I've already detailed in some forum thread or another maybe even this one. They are actually doing a lot of what we asked for in BLU it's just that people are so in an uproar over "HOWD THEY DO THIS TO BLU MAGE?! RE RE RE!!" to actually see the potential for addressing a number of our bigger concerns with a singular system and the expense of on job. If this was any other job, or even an original job in this system and not blue mage half of you would not even be this upset. You have no idea how much resources they put into this or what their plans are for it so throwing up or even hinting at "it's a waste of resources." isn't even an argument either not yet at least because you haven't even touched the system yet to be able to provide actual feedback. Just emotional backlash.

[GrenGarm]

You have no idea how much resources they put into this or what their plans are for it so throwing up or even hinting at "it's a waste of resources." isn't even an argument either not yet at least because you haven't even touched the system yet to be able to provide actual feedback. Just emotional backlash.

You keep making this point. The fact is, we know they put some resources into BLU. Possibly quite a lot. But the amount doesn't matter. For me and many other players, ANY resources that they put into this incredibly awkward design are a waste. We don't need to play the job to decide that, because this is not a job. This is a limited job. We hate the limited part. End of story.

[AC9Breaker]

You said the job would "eventually be on the same level as other classes," meaning it will be the same as all the other jobs. That is not true and that is what I was responding to. If you mean literally it can level up to the same level (70/80), then you should have said that instead. This is also not true. We don't know for sure that BLU will ever be allowed to be max level with other jobs.

I would figure context clues would help you in coming to that conclusion yourself since I followed my, "eventually be on the same level as other classes", with " Your statements make it seem like this class would be locked at 50 forever." I am explicitly talking about levels here. Unless the number 50 somehow means something else to you. I digress, what I would postulate to you is maybe the unsound assumption in which you speculate that the class will never be the same max levels as other classes. That's about as tantamount as performing a science experiment without consideration of any other variables or factors and using only one test case to prove your hypothesis.(this is bad science btw) In this case the test case is the initial level cap of 50. This is the only reason I can assume why you would entertain the idea of this class never reaching the same level.

You keep making this point. The fact is, we know they put some resources into BLU. Possibly quite a lot. But the amount doesn't matter. For me and many other players, ANY resources that they put into this incredibly awkward design are a waste. We don't need to play the job to decide that, because this is not a job. This is a limited job. We hate the limited part. End of story.

I would again like to point out the faulty logic. There is still so much about 5.0 that is unknown. One thing in particular is there are obvious signs of major combat mechanic changes. Am I suggesting that BLU will play a part in the the 3 role Meta? No. I am saying there is so much being done that for you to judge what the end product will be before it has even been delivered is the type of shortsighted view that is usually reserved in spoiled children who throw a tantrum when they don't get exactly what they want. Your jump to a conclusion on this class is tantamount to how the civilizations of the past would blame any natural disaster or plague to anger from imaginary gods. "The earth is shaking. Some magical being must be doing this" "This class is different. It must be crap"

[MrKimper]

Your personal feelings should not and do not hold decision making power over this dev team, none of ours do. Because they don't make this game with our opinions. They make this game as they see fit and try to give us what we ask for along the way. Which I've already detailed in some forum thread or another maybe even this one. They are actually doing a lot of what we asked for in BLU it's just that people are so in an uproar over "HOWD THEY DO THIS TO BLU MAGE?! RE RE RE!!" to actually see the potential for addressing a number of our bigger concerns with a singular system and the expense of on job. If this was any other job, or even an original job in this system and not blue mage half of you would not even be this upset. You have no idea how much resources they put into this or what their plans are for it so throwing up or even hinting at "it's a waste of resources." isn't even an argument either not yet at least because you haven't even touched the system yet to be able to provide actual feedback. Just emotional backlash.

You're joking right? so you're saying that 1.0 should have just, continued as it was? Diadem should not have been fixed and was perfect, our opinions as players don't matter and we should just shut up and pay out monthly sub? seriously? that's what you honestly think?

People wanted a fully implemented BLU that was true to or at least held the same spirit as BLU. that we could play in all content equally the same as other jobs.

What we got

-Gated out of 80% of content

-Level capped to obsolete dungeons and raids

-RNG based skill learning (Which is NOTHING like skill learning in other games)

-An instance just for BLU that is a solo experience only

THESE are what I am providing feedback to, this information that we have been given which is meant to be "Staying true to Blue mage". A lot of the reasons for these weren't even that they took feedback and wanted to give us a unique experience, it simply came down to "We couldn't balance it, so we did this"

Yes, you're absolutely right if this wasn't blue mage, if this wasn't a job people wanted to play, wanted to main, wanted to use as an actual job to go through story quest and to sit down and learn. Yes no one would be upset, nobody but they used a well loved and long asked for job and butchered it to fit the content quota until shadow bringers drops.

[Seraphor]

-Gated out of 80% of content

Actually, I've done the math, and we're only actually gated out of 17.3% of content.
Source: same as yours, my ass.

The level cap is raising, and there's no reason to believe we won't be able to run all content at some point, with the only exceptions being current and savage raids, and DF, which in itself isn't content, just a match-making system.

[AC9Breaker]

You're joking right? so you're saying that 1.0 should have just, continued as it was? Diadem should not have been fixed and was perfect, our opinions as players don't matter and we should just shut up and pay out monthly sub? seriously? that's what you honestly think?

People wanted a fully implemented BLU that was true to or at least held the same spirit as BLU.

I think there should be a clear distinction here between vocal minority and general consensus. 1.0 Was bad. This is a general consensus. The blue mage we are being given for FFXIV is terrible. This is an opinion from the vocal minority in this community who have yet to gain first hand experience with it. Of course it is a calculated risk because those minorities still matter. Because those minorities are more then likely the same people who helped keep 1.0 afloat and kept their subscriptions. We just have to hope that the Dev team is good at math, haha.

Also, this may be too anecdotal but as someone who's worked a lot of customer service I've come to the belief that 9 times out of 10 the customer doesn't even know what they want and you can usually make the decision for them. More then likely they will be happy with the decision you've helped them reach.

[Seraphor]

If you think this will become a regular max-level job in or after 5.0, that is never going to happen. They wouldn't go out of their way to stir all this up and designate BLU as a "Limited Job" just to back out in six months.

BLU is a side quest. Or you can do obsolete content with friends. That's it. That's all it will ever be. There's NO indication of anything else.

It will never be allowed to use DF, but that doesn't mean you'll be limited to obsolete content, unless you consider anything not listed in Raid Finder obsolete.
And yeah, you'll be able to run stuff with friends.

What, don't you have friends?

[Maero]

No one has a foot in this race or some other analogy until the job is actually released. People can comment all they want on how they would have wanted it implemented, in the end it is up to SE and NONE OF US know how it will actually play out yet.
Some of you are flaming each other for no real reasons, lol
Will it eventually be able to run content on par with the other jobs? Well maybe not but perhaps it will, just because they stated limited job i am sure they will cave in if enough complaints exist, just do not expect it anytime soon, perhaps 6.0 or later?
Unless someone works directly for SE none know anything, myself included it is pure speculation and alot of clueless people...