[Request] BLU concerns regarding toxicity - apply to rest of game

[Mhiro]

1 is actually ok barring the fact you have to do a 30 duty to GET the job stone. the rest are pretty left field.

You do realize the OP is talking about dungeon duties and not single person duties. All level 30 class quests require the completion of a single person duty...not a dungeon and single person duties wouldn't be locked behind that kind of requirement for a class quest. The job crystal quest is then a whole single cut scene and you get your shiny rock for free. Perhaps their wording was hard to understand but...honestly it's not in the long run.

Their point still stands, though. All 30+ duties as in Brayflox Longstop and beyond should lock out anyone that doesn't have their level 30 class quest done or a job crystal. Haukke Manor gets a free pass for being a niche level 28 middle child.

[Alexandre_Noireau]

For how tutorialish and basic, plain repetitive and handheld the early game player experience is. The amount of new players that skip over crucial learning processes about game mechanics, class mechanics and combat mechanics never cease to amaze me.
Then again, we live on a world where people quote books it has never read. Maybe why most players won't even bother to read.

I play with a Chilean friend, since spanish is not an option in this game (thank you for leaving out the 3rd most popular language of the world SE) he has tons of issues learning the game, i've tried to teach him along my partner the best we can, but seriously, the game has so much info that is not reaching players, be it cause they won't bother to read or they just cannot read it.

[Rosentretter]

Player toxicity, as well as player stupidity, is ultimately a player-driven problem. They will find other ways to be stupid. Adding even more needless restrictions to the queuing system just locks us out of doing the things we want.

According to that logic, which one of those are you?

Aurum Vale can probably be done without a tank, or a healer, but you are not gonna get back the amount of time wasted because not having a role covered, or because of being undergeared. The suggestions presented on this thread make enough sense and I really hope SE reads them. There's another thread talking about the ilvl in Castrum Abania. Yesterday I got the most awful tank I've ever seen, undergeared in levels that can't be imagined. We still dealt with it, but the time wasted will never be forgotten.

[Lunalepsy]

to avoid toxicity by party members if the BLU in question was missing specific monster skills.

Do they think their playerbase is that fickle and shallow?

[Arkdra]

Do they think their playerbase is that fickle and shallow?

Considering that the class imbalance such as it exists in this game is usually to the tune of about 5% with a margin of error and yet the community regards jobs as complete trash and will block/kick from pf's, they aren't wrong.

I support OP's recommendations, with my only concern being a draconian ilvl requirement being a problem for new players. But I suppose in the end I would rather have a draconian ilvl requirement more than none at all (but still a reasonable one would be optimal).

[Hamada]

One the devs have acknowledged they take into consideration when designing new content. So they should be consistent in their approach

Just here to support your reply to NocturniaUzuki.
You do realize they made changes how dungeons are laid out because of the toxicity during late ARR? They have a lot more artificial barricades because people would overpull during late ARR on newer healers. There is also a limit restrciton on how often you can kick, so some basic guidelines, like the game not letting people queue for level 70 dungeons because they do not have the 70 job quest saves people's times on all fronts. Maybe some people enter level 70 dungeons without doing them because they do not know better. I seen kicks happen before because of it, early SB anyway, doubt you can enter expert NOW like that since the ilevel is too high. So this:

I disagree.
Adding even more needless restrictions to the queuing system just locks us out of doing the things we want.

Why are you saying this? Why should someone not doing their level 70 job quest be allowed to enter? You have people promoting you can enter dungeons naked because the game lets you in another thread. So stuff like this list is very needed.

Do they think their playerbase is that fickle and shallow?

I am shocked they are aware the playerbase is that fickle and shallow, given they do not have requirements to enter most dungeons.

[Videra]

All of these are good suggestions. I hope they're added to the game in 5.0. Adding these sorts of restrictions would, quite literally, do nothing but benefit everyone in the game.

[Liale]

While this is all logical and probably should be a thing, I hate to tell you that they probably don't really care all that much. All of the reasons they gave for why they made blue mage a limited job have been debunked by themselves or others. Yoshi p was really just spitting out whatever reason sounded like it might be plausible. And if they ever did implement a fix for toxicity it would likely be to the tune of the pvp fixes where they go way overboard such as blocking all chat making actual detailed strategy during a match impossible unless you are on discord. The best cure for toxicity is to simply have patience. As a dps I don't tend to ditch dungeons because it takes a while to get through the wait. If someone is being toxic I wait out the 15 mins then tell them why they are making the dungeon/raid impossible then vote kick them. The only time that doesn't solve the problem is when they are with their girlfriend/boyfriend who blocks the vote kick or a party of similar minded friends, which does not happen that often. If they get really toxic you can report them for that.

[BillyKaplan]

I'm bumping this again because every BLU thread only makes me cry harder.