[Request] BLU concerns regarding toxicity - apply to rest of game

[BillyKaplan]

You pug you deal with it.

Only we've had the devs go out of their way of acknowledging this scenario to the point they level locked BLU and banned them from duty finder. That changes things a bit. Suddenly BLUs don't have to "deal with it", nor do parties have to deal with BLUs who are missing their skills. This gives room to have a much broader discussion.

not to mention the vast numbers of players who will quit of all of your WONDERFUL suggestions happen.

No need to get all stingy. And that's a lot of doom and gloom besides. Are we going to ignore the fact most of the game is already ilvl locked?

Also if you know much about the game at all you know that locking level 30 duties behind jobs means nobody can GET a job, the level 30 class quest must be completed first.

I'll play along and clarify that the first post was all about Duty Finder duties as I personally couldn't care less what players do when they're away from me, and I think most players share the same sentiment.

[Shougun]

not to mention the vast numbers of players who will quit of all of your WONDERFUL suggestions happen.

You think people will quit if they have to do their job quests? I guess if I say I'll quit if people dont buy me my gear.. lol. I know the later is a bit facetious but.. I don't see why requiring people to have done their quests, for their abilities, is unreasonable and that I feel if someone quits because they can't skip their job abilities is actually the unreasonable one.

I think 1 to 3 can be summarized as rule 1. Players must complete the job quests related to their job/class that offer abilities that could be used in respective duty content. Rule 4 (2 now) may produce some difficulties for players trying to level up smoothly, and maybe that's where you're saying people will quit (may generate more steps and mess to get from point a to point c "current content"). But I think SE could improve the journey themselves then, which would be better for everyone (the non-sync and synced alike).

[Sylvina]

You think people will quit if they have to do their job quests? I guess if I say I'll quit if people dont buy me my gear.. lol. I know the later is a bit facetious but.. I don't see why requiring people to have done their quests, for their abilities, is unreasonable and that I feel if someone quits because they can't skip their job abilities is actually the unreasonable one.

I think 1 to 3 can be summarized as rule 1. Players must complete the job quests related to their job/class that offer abilities that could be used in respective duty content. Rule 4 (2 now) may produce some difficulties for players trying to level up smoothly, and maybe that's where you're saying people will quit (may generate more steps and mess to get from point a to point c "current content"). But I think SE could improve the journey themselves then, which would be better for everyone (the non-sync and synced alike).

1 is actually ok barring the fact you have to do a 30 duty to GET the job stone. the rest are pretty left field.

[Shougun]

1 is actually ok barring the fact you have to do a 30 duty to GET the job stone. the rest are pretty left field.

I'd agree you should absolutely be able to do the quests that require group content via duty~! To get this ability you need to finish bla group content - shouldn't be "PF that, you can't use duty finder scrub" lol. Of course most of these quests don't require that.

For the left field part, is it left field that SE would smooth out the path or that a restriction should(nt) be put into place so you don't have huge ilvl differences*?

*Personally I believe SE needs to look at that either way, each expansion there is a particular part where even if you're doing everything right (getting the gear as it comes and all the abilities) you will find points in the game where the ilevel just rockets upwards (most clear at the level caps, like 49 to 50, 59 to 60, etc).

I came back after a long while and was like "lol I'll level warrior, its not big deal" came into the dungeon with all the right gear (no cheating accessories or anything, but I was near the lower end of the ilevel requirement) and oh my lord... harder than extreme content when it came to making sure you were still the tank lol. Because the max synced ilevel dps where always hot on the tail of aggro (basically it was ignore any dd opportunities and just spam aggro, otherwise it was lost).

It was ultimately fine, could still hold aggro but it was a needle vs the epic grand canyon of hate difference that it is normally. I believe that if SE doesn't do anything about that they will continuously turn people off tanking who weren't expecting it, or even if they are expecting it they might be turned off to get back into it if they fall off the treadmill. It's easy to tank the fresh content since everyone is fresh together, but it's not good I think that it'll become harder to /fresh/ tank the older the content is (lol).

[Deceptus]

Excluding the rather doubtful claim she made which I've removed from the quote, your question has already been answered. You pug you deal with it. that's how its always worked. not to mention the vast numbers of players who will quit of all of your WONDERFUL suggestions happen.

Also if you know much about the game at all you know that locking level 30 duties behind jobs means nobody can GET a job, the level 30 class quest must be completed first.

Just because something has "always been that way" doesn't mean it's the best way to go about doing things. We were never meant to fly because we didn't have wings.

[InkstainedGwyn]

And it's not outrageous to ask them to institute restrictions that are already in content now. You're ilvl gated for anything at 50/60/70, and you're locked out of a lot of content if you don't do the prerequisite quests. I ran a levelling roulette with FC members and our tank (a friend) couldn't hold aggro off anybody, even the healer. When I asked why he wasn't using any oath, he said "oh I never did the quests, they're boring." I told him I wasn't running another roulette with him.

And if those people are going to quit because they can't half-ass the game, maybe they should find something less involved to play.

[Beckett]

Amazing troll post OP, gold star.

It's definitely hilarious and snarky, but I wouldn't call it a troll post. These are all actually really good suggestions that could only help people.

[NocturniaUzuki]

Here is the post you were most likely referencing, from earlier in this thread:



The last section of his post is pretty important - 'because he was not listening.' Often times, the people I have personally ran across who did not have their job crystal soon after reaching 30 were either uninformed (happens) or more often straight up did not care. They are the types of players where the other people running around are little more than mobile npcs to them - we're all supporting actors in the play that is their game. They don't care if they waste someone else's time, but there is hell to pay if someone wastes theirs. They don't care that running as a Marauder instead of a Paladin gives you significantly fewer tools and means to perform your role effectively; etc.

It's those people - the people who are so far down IDGAF Boulevard that grouping with them is going to be at BEST, something you slog through... Because of those people, yes minimum requirements would benefit the vast majority of players. Realistically, it wouldn't adversely affect a lot of people. Maybe someone who JUST hit 30 and wants to jump into an msq dungeon to continue the story might be a little irritated they would need to go do other stuff first. I know I'm guilty of doing a lot of the SB job quests once I hit 70, because I have gear waiting on the job for when it maxes. Some of the solo duties in the 60s were pretty rough if you were a little behind in gear.

But as someone who personally went through a portion of Qarn a few weeks ago with a 30 something Conjuror who didn't have their job stone and was unable to keep the tank alive...so they bailed and we had to sit and wait on a replacement midway through... That was a bad run for 3 people because it. Same went for when I went through B. Wall with a tank that was very poorly equipped. Super nice guy, was there only to help, but his lack of gear was too much for the healer to handle. So he stepped aside after saying repeatedly he had bad gear, and we had to wait for a replacement. Someone even put it in the Tales from Duty Finder a while back.

Just my thoughts and experiences.

Yes, that is the post.

But what I'm saying is that you don't need the tank. You could a) boot that tank, or b) continue and simply ask the tank not to aggro more than one mob. Of course, if he's not listening, then your options are limited to just kicking him. But once he's kicked, you can just continue on, albeit with smaller pulls. Single groups of 2-4 mobs and perfectly manageable with 1 healer 2 DPS. So it's not a huge inconvenience. That's my opinion anyways. If you're the type of player who can't handle dungeons without a tank, then it's more of an issue I suppose.

In any case, like I edited in at the bottom, as long as it's bypassable with the PF, people can restrict all the want.

[BillyKaplan]

The bump nobody asked for! Because healers shouldn't be allowed to use non-healer accessories into Ultima-ex!

[BillyKaplan]

Minorly necroing this because this is still relevant.