[Request] BLU concerns regarding toxicity - apply to rest of game

[Rosentretter]

Player toxicity, as well as player stupidity, is ultimately a player-driven problem. They will find other ways to be stupid. Adding even more needless restrictions to the queuing system just locks us out of doing the things we want.

According to that logic, which one of those are you?

Aurum Vale can probably be done without a tank, or a healer, but you are not gonna get back the amount of time wasted because not having a role covered, or because of being undergeared. The suggestions presented on this thread make enough sense and I really hope SE reads them. There's another thread talking about the ilvl in Castrum Abania. Yesterday I got the most awful tank I've ever seen, undergeared in levels that can't be imagined. We still dealt with it, but the time wasted will never be forgotten.

[Hamada]

One the devs have acknowledged they take into consideration when designing new content. So they should be consistent in their approach

Just here to support your reply to NocturniaUzuki.
You do realize they made changes how dungeons are laid out because of the toxicity during late ARR? They have a lot more artificial barricades because people would overpull during late ARR on newer healers. There is also a limit restrciton on how often you can kick, so some basic guidelines, like the game not letting people queue for level 70 dungeons because they do not have the 70 job quest saves people's times on all fronts. Maybe some people enter level 70 dungeons without doing them because they do not know better. I seen kicks happen before because of it, early SB anyway, doubt you can enter expert NOW like that since the ilevel is too high. So this:

I disagree.
Adding even more needless restrictions to the queuing system just locks us out of doing the things we want.

Why are you saying this? Why should someone not doing their level 70 job quest be allowed to enter? You have people promoting you can enter dungeons naked because the game lets you in another thread. So stuff like this list is very needed.

Do they think their playerbase is that fickle and shallow?

I am shocked they are aware the playerbase is that fickle and shallow, given they do not have requirements to enter most dungeons.

[NocturniaUzuki]

Edit: I should clarify I am only really opposed to #1 and #4. I was also in a rush and didn't see the PF bypass. As long as it can be bypassed, go right ahead and restrict all you want

[BillyKaplan]

Bumping this with a relevant story.
I just ran leveling roulette on my PLD. Got Qarn NM with a level 38 AST. I notice they don't have their sect up and casually remind them of it - no worries, level sync gets all of us.
They have not done the quest to unlock Diurnal Sect. An Astrologian, whose entire kit as a healer relies on those sects. And I say that because if nothing else, both sects give a straight buff to healing alongside their unique effects. It also meant that Aspected Benefit did not give a regen.
They knew they were missing out on it, and did their best so no one died. That said, they did struggle, with mp going lower than I usually see ASTs go in that place. Oh and no Royal Road, either.

It's nice that the devs acknowledged this is problematic regarding BLU. Now, please, acknowledge that selfsame problem exists with every other job as well.

[MoroMurasaki]

Bumping this with a relevant story.
I just ran leveling roulette on my PLD. Got Qarn NM with a level 38 AST. I notice they don't have their sect up and casually remind them of it - no worries, level sync gets all of us.
They have not done the quest to unlock Diurnal Sect. An Astrologian, whose entire kit as a healer relies on those sects. And I say that because if nothing else, both sects give a straight buff to healing alongside their unique effects. It also meant that Aspected Benefit did not give a regen.
They knew they were missing out on it, and did their best so no one died. That said, they did struggle, with mp going lower than I usually see ASTs go in that place. Oh and no Royal Road, either.

It's nice that the devs acknowledged this is problematic regarding BLU. Now, please, acknowledge that selfsame problem exists with every other job as well.

I've seen this as well on my first time tanking Dzemael Darkhold.

It went about as well as you'd expect.

100% In support of restrictions like these despite personally not anticipating actually seeing them.

[Shougun]

All of that sounds pretty great, helps the community be happier with duty finder and helps honest players who missed or forgot something from having a frustrating time with themselves (disappointment they're not performing) and with others who are raging on them.

Also not really directly related but I'd like to see duty finder let you come in with your unlocked skill kit but perhaps give other unsynced players a /small/ benefit to counter balance that. Pressing 1 to win after used to your whole skill set is.. uh.. weeee lol. On that also tanks could really use an enmity bonus when their team mates greatly out iLevel them (particularly when you're going from uncap to capped experiences where you're in 69 gear and everyone else is in massively capped 70 gear).

[dragonseth07]

Yes, please. Anything to make DF more tolerable.

[vigioX-Sun]

Maybe they just wanna test how the job perform, before doing a full release for balances purpose, we gonna get it mostly for 5.0 I guess.

[BillyKaplan]

Maybe they just wanna test how the job perform, before doing a full release for balances purpose, we gonna get it mostly for 5.0 I guess.

Did you see "BLU" in the title and figured you didn't need to read the actual post?

[Arkdra]

1, 2, and 3 I am all for. I think 4 is a bridge too far though. Most of the people I see starting fresh hit 50 with about 200k to their name, and even sticking strictly to vendor gear, that probably isn't enough. Plus, most people got bigger problems with their play than ilvl.