Splitting up friends defeats the spirit of an MMO. Please reverse this server mess.

[Scox]

Don't you guys have phones?

[JohnSpawnVFX]

Why should it be different?
Because well resolved individuals recognize their part in the problem and don't just default to blame the "big bad boogeyman"
Do you read these forums doing the past 5 years?
I've only started playing close to 3 years, and only joined the forums on May, so no.
How much do people need to say "Moving incentives is not enough because I do not need to move my house"
Then don't move? Decide want you want to do and do it, not just plant your feet and complain about it?
How many posters need to quote this in their signature:
How many posters need to remind them that development circumstances change over time? That the devs are basically "slaves" to upper managment?
How many people need to tell SE that this housing system is not working, we need instance housing, not the glorified FC rooms that apartments give?
Just a reminder that if and when they do, no one's keeping their current furniture and will be followed by extensive maintenance time, that won't be reimbursed
The player responsibility you want to blame are the ones telling SE the problems, and yet SE ignores them all.
Again, did SE force players to transfer to bloated servers even when people advised not to do it? Did SE tell players to use an exploit to be able to transfer into Balmung while it was still locked?
How do you expect someone that sees the full picture blame anything on the playerbase?
Seeing the full picture actually entails recognizing some wrongdoing by part of the playerbase (i.e. transferring into full servers with warnings from others not to do it). Not just piling it up solely on SE
Gil is not the ISSUE! getting a house is! there is not enough plots

Some people exploiting the system to get multiple houses doesn't help either, but I'm sure SE forced them to do that as well, right?
Yet another thing cause partially by the playerbase that you decide to pile solely on SE.

There's a lot of things SE could've done better and made player life easier.
That doesn't excuse scapegoating SE on a lot of cases of ill will from players, like buying multiple housing, transfering into full servers, not allowing meta jobs in their parties, etc

[ExKage]

Duty Finder and Party finder aren't really going to be affected. What you make of the new data center is what you get in regards to that current casual content. Will Crystal DC be a little more sparse of the hardcore raiders? Probably if most of the current statics join Aether. Current statics can also join their Crystal DC friends instead.

I'm more worried about Hunts.

[Hamada]

Some people exploiting the system to get multiple houses doesn't help either, but I'm sure SE forced them to do that as well, right?
Yet another thing cause partially by the playerbase that you decide to pile solely on SE.

There's a lot of things SE could've done better and made player life easier.
That doesn't excuse scapegoating SE on a lot of cases of ill will from players, like buying multiple housing, transfering into full servers, not allowing meta jobs in their parties, etc

For not dealing with it sooner? yep SE is to blame for ignoring people complaining about that all this time, even when they did the changes , they STILL had loopholes that again the playerbase did warn SE about and again SE turned a blind eye to. We even have a "house cat" poster that basically bragged how they exploited housing in 4.2? was it? and how many houses they own and SE still does nothing, so yes, 100% blame SE there.

So that playerbase you want to put blame on, did tell SE all this though these forums, so I blame SE for ignoring it, the player base did try to tell SE you can't blame the player base when the player base was reaching out to SE.

You can't scapegoat the player base for SE's shortcomings when there is a good number of people, that will simply transfer because "friends are there" and so on. It is not the playerbase responsibility to monitor hardware from the 1990s, or w/e decade their outdated hardware is from.

"Because well resolved individuals recognize their part in the problem and don't just default to blame the "big bad boogeyman"

I see this as really meaning: "it does not effect me so I laugh at the player base it does effect"

"I've only started playing close to 3 years, and only joined the forums on May, so no."
So you admit having no background knowledge, so I disagree your high road tone.

"Then don't move? Decide want you want to do and do it, not just plant your feet and complain about it?"
Another " this does not effect me so I do not understand how hard this is"

"How many posters need to remind them that development circumstances change over time? That the devs are basically "slaves" to upper management?"
That is not an excuse for never listening to problems of the game, that quote does not even really address the point of that I said. here is the link again, read it over:
http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...-%2810-30-2013

"Again, did SE force players to transfer to bloated servers even when people advised not to do it? Did SE tell players to use an exploit to be able to transfer into Balmung while it was still locked?"
what are you talking about? what "exploit"?

"Seeing the full picture actually entails recognizing some wrongdoing by part of the playerbase (i.e. transferring into full servers with warnings from others not to do it). Not just piling it up solely on SE"

The playerbase did nothing wrong, you can't blame the playerbase for not knowing what exactly SE's out of date hardware can handle. This is not an issue with other games, so how are people supposed to bleeding know?

[Aerlana]

The players will always outsmart any of SE's ideas to "balance" the servers; and SE will be forced to lock Aether, IMO.

This is a matter with SE (atleast on FFXIV) from the begining of ARR.
They dont think as players.

When hunt was released, B rank gave insignia even without the weekly quest, and had 5 min respawn CD. So, Naul (the first quest) was impossible to get. and numerous players didnt manage to just finish the weekly quest.
This is one example, one of the oldest (2.1)

But let's see more recently. Players during ARR did do, at the begining, the fate train, because they were the best way to gain level on second+ jobs. Even with 2.1 (boost of dongeon XP and roulet) and after, fate train stayed the way to level. Killed only with PotD (which was even better finally)
So, they do eureka anemos, with the chain kill... long, boring. aaaand players fast did find that fate train is boring... but a better way to farm, so return of the train. Yes people did complain (boring vs boring)
And The team seemed surprise that people went back on fate train !


They are not players in their own realm. Or they play, but without thinking as a player.


So, this, so, this "BLU" which is not a job. The "you dont want to pay sub? take appartment" or "a white mage with pld armor it would be ridiculous" (and pld with bikini?)
If they were players... most stupidity we see wouldn' exist.

I'm more worried about Hunts.

For the hunt, there is a second announcement we have to see :
we will be able to teleport to other servers from the same datacenter. So, for a simple example.

I am on Ragnarok, and i see (with interserv FC, discord or anything else) that a S rank spawn on moogle server. I go to limsa/uldah/gridania, and teleport to moogle, and then go where the S rank is.

It will ensure that even those new DC wont have a lot of matter getting enough people for hunting... BUT... maybe too much people also? :-°

[JohnSpawnVFX]

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See how biased you are?

Even if SE didn't close the loopholes, PLAYERS still used them willingly and knowingly. But you're saying it's still SE's full responsibility, absolving players of anything wrong they did.

I'm not scapegoating the players. You're just turning me into an anti-players target because it fits your narrative. I just people to attribute proper responsibility to SE AND players, not just pile everything on SE specially player behavior.

Right, they never listen. That's why Titan is still unplayable from launch, AST is still the awful job it was at launch, and BRD is still a bow mage that the majority despises. These are few among loads of things that the players complain and they did something about. So don't say they never listen, because you're indisputably wrong.

You're here since 2015 and you don't know about the exploit people used to get into Balmung?

Except transferring into a full server, with people warning them not to, buying multiple houses on a game with limited housing, using a limit break that shouldn't be usable outside of squadron mode. But nope, all players are saints and never do anything wrong.

[Hamada]

See how biased you are?

Even if SE didn't close the loopholes, PLAYERS still used them willingly and knowingly. But you're saying it's still SE's full responsibility, absolving players of anything wrong they did.

I'm not scapegoating the players. You're just turning me into an anti-players target because it fits your narrative. I just people to attribute proper responsibility to SE AND players, not just pile everything on SE specially player behavior.

Right, they never listen. That's why Titan is still unplayable from launch, AST is still the awful job it was at launch, and BRD is still a bow mage that the majority despises. These are few among loads of things that the players complain and they did something about. So don't say they never listen, because you're indisputably wrong.

You're here since 2015 and you don't know about the exploit people used to get into Balmung?

Except transferring into a full server, with people warning them not to, buying multiple houses on a game with limited housing, using a limit break that shouldn't be usable outside of squadron mode. But nope, all players are saints and never do anything wrong.

The only one that is biased is you because you do not own a house or FC. Do you understand how much time and materials goes into that shop making 4 airships and 4 subs? Do you even grasp the social problems seeing people go to crystal and aether where there is a high chance people will just flood back to aether causing a repeat? Your bias is simply it does not effect you, and don't think about others.

Also I disagree that originally you had the idea of blaming both, because originally you had this quote:

I see blaming SE for everything and avoiding any player responsability is a theme with you.

and all the bolds you commented on, ill give you one thing you are correct about "If you earn that much in that time frame, that loss won't make a dent in your finances." but you are neglecting all the time lost in rebuilding, no gil value can reimburse that, just because SE can't be bothered to transfer some data.

I will give you another, even I feel some of the blame on the players esp house cat for acting that way, however you sounded like you wanted put ALL the blame on players while neglecting SE has a great effect to this. In the end you can't expect the average causal player that does not come on forums and such, to know about SE's hardware and transferring in playing with friends.

With people trying to find exploits and loopholes? yeah a small blame on the players is that, like 20% player/ 80% SE ( the mass playerbase should not have to suffer because of those few that want to exploit things) but as I am pointing out here, it is still most of SE's fault, esp when people want to use the defense "we warned SE about this loophole, they did nothing so it is ok" I agree that logic is childish and was posted from some people on this OF. You know what my reply to that logic is? If you are going to have a target audience with this kind of personality, then you have a responsibility to cater to them, meaning act like children, get treated as such, like the forced cut scene and pvp chat/feast change.

There was once a time this game had no kick feature and no queue drop quota, so SE had made those changes (well more so the drop reject queue quota) because people would troll it. That is another instance of the player base needed a change because they could not conduct themselves as reasonable human beings.

But yes I can agree with blaming both, depends in what case, but most of the blame is still on SE's hands, and a lot of that has to do with ignoring feedback, that the player base was trying to point out the very problems you want to blame the player base for doing? So if a group of people say some problem will take place, you ignore it, the problem happens, shouldn't the fault rest in your hands not the group of people?

[Gralna]

[Roda]

Don't you guys have phones?

People keep comparing the two foibles but naw, I say that's making light of this event.

Diablo Immortal was disappointing, but it didn't cause anything to destroy the experience of those playing D3. If you don't like it, you could just ignore it and it wouldn't affect you in the slightest.
FFXIV's reshuffling on the otherhand is splitting up 2 year old relations (or even 5 year old relations because SE told them it would be ok for them to switch servers because cross-world pfs exist now...)

So naw, this is worse than some faceless company simply misreading the room.

[alimdia]

I think folks need to understand the greater good of growing this game. They already apologized profusely for needing to do this.
Does it suck? Yeah it does. But they are giving you ample time to consider your move, plus two weeks of free transfer time, reimbursing housing and furnishing costs, etc.
Just gather your friends/raiding team in a discord hash out the details and decide where to go. It's like having to move in the real world. SOmetimes it sucks, sometimes you lose friends sometimes you gain them. But life goes on and you make the best of it and grow from the experience.

The greater good is the money they are saving since a new lobby server is cheaper than upgrading 24 servers.

And yet, is it not possible that the ishgard housing that is coming will be instanced due to the way its being added?

We still have what, 2 more fanfests to get more info before this all goes through right?

I think this is one thing being missed in all the outrage. The housing crisis may be solved with the expansion.

They didn't say Ishgard housing is coming, let's not start new rumors.