Did the devs explicitly mention that BLU can't raid?

[Lambdafish]

I've done a lot of thinking about the state of BLU's implementation since the live letter, and I just realised something. Raid is typically done via the PF or as a preformed static. Does that mean that as a preformed group, BLU can indeed enter raids?

The devs have said that BLU is designed for solo play and not party content, but the devs have held a very "player choice" attitude towards raiding for a while now, letting players have any composition they want, and punishing them less for it. I feel like so long as you aren't looking for a group in raid finder, BLU raiding is ok?

Even if this isn't the case, I feel like it will be in the future (especially with the community outcry), leaving only matchmaking, and content where BLUs systems are incompatible (PVP and deep dungeon) as inaccessible.


Edit: Yes I know they are capped at 50, but this is more thinking about when they raise the level cap, do you think they will allow preformed parties to use it for current content, much like how you can go into older extreme primals in the trailer.

[Zakon]

They can run old, outdated raids. Since the design of blue mage is that it will be a soloist job and not suited to groups, there is little reason to believe that will ever change for them. There is ample reason to believe the alternative, that it will be locked out of challenging content forever.

Keep in mind that they brought up a specific scenario of the Blue Mage casting Lv5 Death on a raid boss being a reason why they couldn't implement it as a normal job.

The only reason they would change it is if we ask them to.

[Nariel]

It can enter raid of the BLU level range. 4.5 he will be able to do BCoB and Crystal tower if he have a party for it.

He won't be able to enter any omega raid nor the future one before he get his level decap and hit the said level.

They said many of the blue spell are just completely unbalanced and unfair, the raid boss will more likely get his ass handed to himself even in synch' party if a BLU is part of the dance.

[Moomba33]

Not explicitly no.
But they did say it would start at 50 and the cap would slowly raise through patches.
Combined with the balance issues they discussed I suspect it will never be high enough level to participate in current content. Or will only hit the current level cap at the very end of an expansion to avoid it affecting the world first races.

[Alien_Gamer]

They explicitly stated BLU can't make use of any matchmaking but it can enter duties as a preformed party. They made a comment about how it wouldn't be fun to take a BLU with Lv 5 death into alphascape and having an instant win so there's an implication it won't be able to raid. There's also the lv 50 cap which may prevent it from being able to go into an end game raid for now.

My suspicion is that a premade could do something like Coils with Blu though. Maybe unsync HW trials/raids too.

[Lambdafish]

The only reason they would change it is if we ask them to.

Which I could see happening tbh, the justification for most content is rational. PVP and Deep dungeon make the most sense, since they use separate system for allocating new skills to the job. Matchmaking also makes sense, since you are being paired with random people, and toxicity would be quite high (though they are only dungeons, so I could see this being relaxed in the future, especially for pre-lvl 50). Raiding however, is entirely preformed, so it meets the standards of allowing BLU to enter.

I imagine there will be an introductory period in which BLU is tested with a lower level cap, which will be raised once the devs have gathered feedback, and tested the balance of the job, and once they are satisfied, they will open the job up to raiding for preformed parties.

[Zakon]

I imagine there will be an introductory period in which BLU is tested with a lower level cap, which will be raised once the devs have gathered feedback, and tested the balance of the job, and once they are satisfied, they will open the job up to raiding for preformed parties.

They specifically stated otherwise. This is not an introductory period, this is a brand new system called a "limited job" that is designed for solo play. Their intention with Blue Mage is not to make it playable in group content, their intention is to make a job that does not fit in an MMORPG under normal circumstances. Their intent is to eventually add other requested jobs which they don't feel fit in an MMORPG for whatever arbitrary reason.

They mentioned Beastmaster as one such job, since it uses pets. But other MMORPGs have included pet jobs which tame their pets out in the wild. I mean the most notable example of this is the Hunter in World of Warcraft.

[Nariel]

Which I could see happening tbh, the justification for most content is rational. PVP and Deep dungeon make the most sense, since they use separate system for allocating new skills to the job. Matchmaking also makes sense, since you are being paired with random people, and toxicity would be quite high (though they are only dungeons, so I could see this being relaxed in the future, especially for pre-lvl 50). Raiding however, is entirely preformed, so it meets the standards of allowing BLU to enter.

I imagine there will be an introductory period in which BLU is tested with a lower level cap, which will be raised once the devs have gathered feedback, and tested the balance of the job, and once they are satisfied, they will open the job up to raiding for preformed parties.

He's not mean to be balanced for party content and won't be, they REALLY insisted on the fact its a solo balanced job who don't have any place in a party.

[Lambdafish]

They specifically stated otherwise. This is not an introductory period, this is a brand new system called a "limited job" that is designed for solo play.

See, this Yoshi P talking, so we need to read between the lines. Remember he said "We said that BLU does not fit into XIVs system, but we didn't say we wouldn't add it", and "We said that adding a new job during a patch would be too much work, but we didn't say we wouldn't do it".

We have two pieces of information, which is what BLU is designed for, and what it can and cannot do. One of those pieces of information is that BLU can do most instanced content as a pre-formed party, and a lot of the justification for locking it out of matchmaking and special battle content makes sense, raids not so much.

Also ask yourself, why didn't they just wait until the expansion? New jobs are used to sell expansions, so why are they adding BLU in 4.5 with no expansion requirement? The answer would be the same as why they added custom deliveries in 3.5, to test the waters with a new experimental feature to expand upon it in the expansion.

[Zakon]

See, this Yoshi P talking, so we need to read between the lines. Remember he said "We said that BLU does not fit into XIVs system, but we didn't say we wouldn't add it", and "We said that adding a new job during a patch would be too much work, but we didn't say we wouldn't do it".

Nothing he said here contradicts their stated goal with Blue Mage.

They didn't think Blue Mage would fit into XIV's system... so they made a special system designed specifically for them, separate from the other jobs. A "limited job" that is designed for solo play.

They never said they wouldn't add another job mid-expansion since it was so difficult, so they didn't. They added a minigame dressed up as a job. It didn't take dev time or balancing because it isn't designed to play like other jobs or be balanced to begin with.