Did the devs explicitly mention that BLU can't raid?

[Lambdafish]

I've done a lot of thinking about the state of BLU's implementation since the live letter, and I just realised something. Raid is typically done via the PF or as a preformed static. Does that mean that as a preformed group, BLU can indeed enter raids?

The devs have said that BLU is designed for solo play and not party content, but the devs have held a very "player choice" attitude towards raiding for a while now, letting players have any composition they want, and punishing them less for it. I feel like so long as you aren't looking for a group in raid finder, BLU raiding is ok?

Even if this isn't the case, I feel like it will be in the future (especially with the community outcry), leaving only matchmaking, and content where BLUs systems are incompatible (PVP and deep dungeon) as inaccessible.


Edit: Yes I know they are capped at 50, but this is more thinking about when they raise the level cap, do you think they will allow preformed parties to use it for current content, much like how you can go into older extreme primals in the trailer.

[Zakon]

They can run old, outdated raids. Since the design of blue mage is that it will be a soloist job and not suited to groups, there is little reason to believe that will ever change for them. There is ample reason to believe the alternative, that it will be locked out of challenging content forever.

Keep in mind that they brought up a specific scenario of the Blue Mage casting Lv5 Death on a raid boss being a reason why they couldn't implement it as a normal job.

The only reason they would change it is if we ask them to.

[Lambdafish]

The only reason they would change it is if we ask them to.

Which I could see happening tbh, the justification for most content is rational. PVP and Deep dungeon make the most sense, since they use separate system for allocating new skills to the job. Matchmaking also makes sense, since you are being paired with random people, and toxicity would be quite high (though they are only dungeons, so I could see this being relaxed in the future, especially for pre-lvl 50). Raiding however, is entirely preformed, so it meets the standards of allowing BLU to enter.

I imagine there will be an introductory period in which BLU is tested with a lower level cap, which will be raised once the devs have gathered feedback, and tested the balance of the job, and once they are satisfied, they will open the job up to raiding for preformed parties.

[Zakon]

I imagine there will be an introductory period in which BLU is tested with a lower level cap, which will be raised once the devs have gathered feedback, and tested the balance of the job, and once they are satisfied, they will open the job up to raiding for preformed parties.

They specifically stated otherwise. This is not an introductory period, this is a brand new system called a "limited job" that is designed for solo play. Their intention with Blue Mage is not to make it playable in group content, their intention is to make a job that does not fit in an MMORPG under normal circumstances. Their intent is to eventually add other requested jobs which they don't feel fit in an MMORPG for whatever arbitrary reason.

They mentioned Beastmaster as one such job, since it uses pets. But other MMORPGs have included pet jobs which tame their pets out in the wild. I mean the most notable example of this is the Hunter in World of Warcraft.

[Lambdafish]

They specifically stated otherwise. This is not an introductory period, this is a brand new system called a "limited job" that is designed for solo play.

See, this Yoshi P talking, so we need to read between the lines. Remember he said "We said that BLU does not fit into XIVs system, but we didn't say we wouldn't add it", and "We said that adding a new job during a patch would be too much work, but we didn't say we wouldn't do it".

We have two pieces of information, which is what BLU is designed for, and what it can and cannot do. One of those pieces of information is that BLU can do most instanced content as a pre-formed party, and a lot of the justification for locking it out of matchmaking and special battle content makes sense, raids not so much.

Also ask yourself, why didn't they just wait until the expansion? New jobs are used to sell expansions, so why are they adding BLU in 4.5 with no expansion requirement? The answer would be the same as why they added custom deliveries in 3.5, to test the waters with a new experimental feature to expand upon it in the expansion.

[Zakon]

See, this Yoshi P talking, so we need to read between the lines. Remember he said "We said that BLU does not fit into XIVs system, but we didn't say we wouldn't add it", and "We said that adding a new job during a patch would be too much work, but we didn't say we wouldn't do it".

Nothing he said here contradicts their stated goal with Blue Mage.

They didn't think Blue Mage would fit into XIV's system... so they made a special system designed specifically for them, separate from the other jobs. A "limited job" that is designed for solo play.

They never said they wouldn't add another job mid-expansion since it was so difficult, so they didn't. They added a minigame dressed up as a job. It didn't take dev time or balancing because it isn't designed to play like other jobs or be balanced to begin with.

[Nariel]

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They didn't made a years of developement to release BLU as what it is to just rework it afterward, especially when they insisted that much on how it work so differently than other job.

Xpc do have other job to sell + a new race.

They need a content to push people to play until xpac release and lets be honest Eureka don't do that very well.

You really have to ear that BLU don't work like any other job and have his own meaning outside of teamplay to understand "Limited job" is just a side feature barely releated to the main dish that are the other not limited job and instances.

They could have made it work like every other job without any trouble, but they'll loose the blue mage vibe they want him to have in the process. They created a whole new feature for him (and maybe other job in the future) called Limited job for him to express the whole blue mage potential they wanted him to have. Like it or leave it. I'm leaving it.

[Dhaid]

They could've just said,"There's just so many skills to add, we need to take our time adding them in," and It would have gone over much better.

Personally I wouldn't mind learning a whole bunch of skills, then having a bunch restricted when going into group content so the broken ones aren't breaking things with the excuse of friendly fire.

[Bourne_Endeavor]

Also ask yourself, why didn't they just wait until the expansion? New jobs are used to sell expansions, so why are they adding BLU in 4.5 with no expansion requirement? The answer would be the same as why they added custom deliveries in 3.5, to test the waters with a new experimental feature to expand upon it in the expansion.

Because they've consistently seen the largest drop of subs between this point and the expansion. 4.5 onwards has been a massive dry period since they have very little content to offer over an extended patch cycle. Blue Mage is simply there to help mitigate that loss, though unless the updates come fast, I suspect most people will be done with it in a week or so. As for Custom Deliveries, they did precisely the same thing: releasing Zhloe in 3.55a. It turned out to be nothing more than a glorified turn in system that saw no changes whatsoever throughout Stormblood. Ironically, one could argue Custom Deliveries replaced Beast Tribes in Stormblood given only the Namazu had any real relevance due to the lack of a relic outside Eureka.

There isn't a hidden meaning here nor is this a beta test. It's simply SE trying to keep people subscribed over the next seven months when outside of Blue Mage, all they have to offer is a 24 Man, an EX Primal and Eureka for long term content.

[Liale]

See, this Yoshi P talking, so we need to read between the lines. Remember he said "We said that BLU does not fit into XIVs system, but we didn't say we wouldn't add it", and "We said that adding a new job during a patch would be too much work, but we didn't say we wouldn't do it".

We have two pieces of information, which is what BLU is designed for, and what it can and cannot do. One of those pieces of information is that BLU can do most instanced content as a pre-formed party, and a lot of the justification for locking it out of matchmaking and special battle content makes sense, raids not so much.

Also ask yourself, why didn't they just wait until the expansion? New jobs are used to sell expansions, so why are they adding BLU in 4.5 with no expansion requirement? The answer would be the same as why they added custom deliveries in 3.5, to test the waters with a new experimental feature to expand upon it in the expansion.

Yoshi P does not give bonus content ever, what he does is say we are working on it please look forward to it and then you never see it or you see it 3-4 years later. Sooooooooo yeah you read through those lines and 3-4 years later you will finally get it when everyone has forgotten about it or you will just never see it. They didn't add it to test the waters, they added it to stave off pre-expansion boredom and because it's designed for force you to do their old world content making it look like it's not dead. I suspect they will fail on both accounts as atma the minigame sounds ghastly and it will only keep the world looking alive for like maybe a month. So yeah, lets revisit this in 3-4 years and see if they are just testing it for later.