BLU for Duty Finder and Raids! Show your support!

[zandervont]

So, the mr happy interview just came out and Yoshi has spoken about BLU.
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1...uI/mobilebasic paraphrased, he said that they are going to add "hardcore" content for BLU to do later so he doesnt want to talk about BLU again until then.

Whats you guys' opinion on this, for me im not convinced, giving BLU its own "hardcore" content doesnt really address my core issues with BLU, having some hard fights for it doesnt take away from the fact that once youre done with it, youre done, you cant main BLU, or experience the rest of the game with it. Thoughts?

still it doesnt fix the problem with limited jobs. I'd actually like to play as the job, not afk around. I'd love to do Eureka with it, even help out my friend who just got into HW (meaning BLU help is out of the question).

[Nalien]

I really just want a "Limited Job Duty Finder" option, seems a sensible thing to get down, given they said we'd get more Limited Jobs in the future (or maybe that'll be cancelled now). Don't let Limited Jobs play with regular ones outside premades, sure whatever, just give people the option to queue up as Blue Mage to get into content with other Blue Mages (heck, regular Jobs could still be put in with Blue Mages if they tic a box similar to the "Join in Progress" on for this kind of thing). We should, for example, be able to queue Leveling Roulette as Blue Mage. The Duty Finder just matches us with other Blue Mages (and future Limited Jobs) for it, rather than the regular party setup. It's at least something to do with the Job...

That's the single biggest change I want for Blue Mage at this point. New "hardcore" content? Eh... Depends entirely on what it is, and what the rewards are... I do like the idea of group based Masked Carnival content, or even Blue Mage specific PvP (1v1 I imagine, with it functioning like 2.0/3.0 PvP, rather than using the changed system 4.0 introduced), but ultimately I can't see them putting anything behind it that would give it longevity, though I say the same thing about the actual endgame content in this game, so what do I know... Heck, I don't even touch Roulettes these days, so why do I even want a Blue Mage option for them? I'd say it'd be fun, but I honestly think Masked Carnival is too, but interest in that fizzled out fast all the same...

Scratch that, new suggestion; Go all in with Limited Jobs. The whole idea was that they'd be hard to balance and ridiculously OP in some scenarios, know what else that's often said about? Gear with interesting stats. Let Blue Mage go out and obtain gear with stats like "Enhances 1000 Needles", or "Increases Stun duration", stuff that would make it even more ridiculous. Like I said, go all in. At least it would be something to work towards with the Job. Right now it seems to be a case of getting all the spells, then asking yourself if you care about Allied Seals and Poetic tomestones... Collecting the spells was probably the best aspect of the Limited Job, apply that to gearing it as well. Lord knows that "Oh there are only 3 weapons?" moment was disappointing. Heck, give the Job its own Relic style quest... For a Relic weapon that is actually absurdly OP and exciting to get, rather than the throwaway glamour pieces we're used to...

Blue Mage really doesn't need more content to do, it needs more reason to do anything with it... We already have plenty we can do with it, just no real reason to do any of it...

[TaiyoShikasu]

So, the mr happy interview just came out and Yoshi has spoken about BLU.
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1...uI/mobilebasic paraphrased, he said that they are going to add "hardcore" content for BLU to do later so he doesnt want to talk about BLU again until then.

Whats you guys' opinion on this, for me im not convinced, giving BLU its own "hardcore" content doesnt really address my core issues with BLU, having some hard fights for it doesnt take away from the fact that once youre done with it, youre done, you cant main BLU, or experience the rest of the game with it. Thoughts?

Trying to get any instance gated abilities after the first week isn't hardcore enough? Ultimate content for BLU is trying to get primal abilities beyond the first week as at least dungeons can be done for WT.

[Anesteria]

So, the mr happy interview just came out and Yoshi has spoken about BLU.
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1...uI/mobilebasic paraphrased, he said that they are going to add "hardcore" content for BLU to do later so he doesnt want to talk about BLU again until then.

Whats you guys' opinion on this, for me im not convinced, giving BLU its own "hardcore" content doesnt really address my core issues with BLU, having some hard fights for it doesnt take away from the fact that once youre done with it, youre done, you cant main BLU, or experience the rest of the game with it. Thoughts?

As I said on the other thread.
To me it really just looks like revisiting what had been said. They changed from using "balance" as an excuse to actually telling us that they want to "Wait and see what happens with the new content".

Again, compared to what Yoshida has been saying in his interviews, it actually is a big change. I think that they're at least thinking of changing its course.
So don't give up Rei!

Although I'm still skeptical of what they say, it's not the first time they would go back on their word. So there is still a possibility for a functional BLU, we just need to keep showing our interest.

[Valdegarde]

Again, compared to what Yoshida has been saying in his interviews, it actually is a big change. I think that they're at least thinking of changing its course.

I see the slightest glimmer of hope there too, but my understanding is that it'll be from 5.2 on at the absolute earliest, as we need to give our feedback to their "hardcore content" and them reflect upon it. I do find it a little insulting that everything else in that interview he was able to talk freely about and give some in depth answers, but Blue Mage he shut down and basically said "don't talk to me about it until after we've dug more of a hole for ourselves."

I guess I know when to start caring about FFXIV again. 5.2, 5.3 maybe?

[Physic]

still it doesnt fix the problem with limited jobs. I'd actually like to play as the job, not afk around. I'd love to do Eureka with it, even help out my friend who just got into HW (meaning BLU help is out of the question).

blu can help out level 60 after the cap increase.

i would say they need to change the way the pf version works a bit, and 20 levels behind is a bit low.

i think they need to tweak the way limited jobs work a bit.
1)They should get 10 levels behind content
2)Be able to PF almost all content they have the level for
3)They should add a max levelsync to the min level sync option.
4)create mid range goals for limited jobs (a reason to spend time with the job)

[Physic]

As I said on the other thread.
To me it really just looks like revisiting what had been said. They changed from using "balance" as an excuse to actually telling us that they want to "Wait and see what happens with the new content".

Again, compared to what Yoshida has been saying in his interviews, it actually is a big change. I think that they're at least thinking of changing its course.
So don't give up Rei!

Although I'm still skeptical of what they say, it's not the first time they would go back on their word. So there is still a possibility for a functional BLU, we just need to keep showing our interest.

saying wait and see, and nothing happening is not going back on his word. I think you need to manage your expectations. All he is really saying is, i want to see peoples reactions/data on the full implementations before they decide anything major like the future of limited jobs.

[Anesteria]

saying wait and see, and nothing happening is not going back on his word. I think you need to manage your expectations. All he is really saying is, i want to see peoples reactions/data on the full implementations before they decide anything major like the future of limited jobs.

As I said, I'm skeptical.
However, saying "Let's wait and see" is still quite a bit different from saying something akin to this:

Naoki Yoshida: The Blue Mage is only able to acquire balance because it is what we now call a “limited job,” and there are no plans to remove the limited aspect from the job.

Which as I've been saying, it MAY lead to a change in direction.

I see the slightest glimmer of hope there too, but my understanding is that it'll be from 5.2 on at the absolute earliest, as we need to give our feedback to their "hardcore content" and them reflect upon it. I do find it a little insulting that everything else in that interview he was able to talk freely about and give some in depth answers, but Blue Mage he shut down and basically said "don't talk to me about it until after we've dug more of a hole for ourselves."

I guess I know when to start caring about FFXIV again. 5.2, 5.3 maybe?

Yeah. As usual it's very generic, as it has always been as I've said when I made my thread that they're trying to keep it as vague as possible. The interviews simply confirm that they knew that their decisions (not just BLU) weren't going to be accepted smoothly. They're still digging their own graves and only now are they openly saying that MAYBE digging further might not be what they should be doing.

Who knows about the future. Maybe the expansion after Shadowbringers we'll have something? I won't be here for 5.2 so I can only watch.

[zandervont]

blu can help out level 60 after the cap increase.

I bet she won't be waiting 5-6 months just for that.

[Kalise]

The most exciting thing about the response in the interview is that Yoshida stated he'd be looking at BLU feedback after the next batch of content is released.

Given the rest of the interview seems he and the team are a little bit overwhelmed by feedback about so many things that they've been working on recently, I can imagine that our initial responses to BLU haven't been fully read through yet (Or they have and they still want to see if the new content helps alleviate some concerns)

Still, it's no definite answer that BLU is going to become a real job and it also isn't particularly likely at this stage to be considered.

It is however, interesting to note that they ARE going to be making decisions based on feedback to this content (As opposed to sticking to the road map they created a few months back irregardless of community opinion).

In addition, Yoshida also noted that they were interested in balancing the number of jobs available across roles as a major factor in DNC being a physical rDPS (Putting us to 4 Tanks, 4 mDPS, 3 rDPS, 3 casters and 3 healers) - Thus if this trend continues then it means that we'd be looking at getting a new caster eventually. In which, BLU would make sense if it was unlimited (Given how much effort they would have put into the class for things like the level 60 push coming in 5.1/2 as well as anything else they add during ShB. Though it was mentioned that Yoshida didn't think BLU would hit level 80 before the end of ShB)

So, hopefully, if we keep our (Ram's) voices heard maybe we'll be able to get Yoshida to consider making the job properly. Despite how good this "Hardcore" content may or may not be (Inb4 it gets cheesed by Self Destruct/Final Sting)