Thread: Blue mage at patch 4.5

Originally Posted by Awful

Have you forgotten this is an MMO?

People sometimes want to play in MMO's solo...Oh, the horror! And before you respond to "Then it's the wrong game for you." should we vote for the removal of all "campaigns" in strategy games, fighting games or racing games? Maybe remove the career from FIFA. These games are designed for playing with other people. But since not everyone wants (or can) play with others, they have their single-player modes intact since the beginning.

Originally Posted by Awful

HMy friend really wanted BLU same as everyone else only to be told here's BLU however you can't do anything, you're incapable of doing anything in a group, you're a solo class and gimmicky with RNG is that good design?

Clearly you didn't watch the live letter...or you didn't pay attention.

You can do almost all the content that any other job can, in party or solo. The only ones you CANNOT do are PvP and Deep Dungeon.
Roulettes are not content, they are matchmaking method. Duty finder is not content, it's matchmaking method. As a Blue Mage you cannot use matchmaking methods, you need to make a party the old-fashioned way. That's all. You can do all the content in much the same way, just with people that are your friends. If anything, this SUPPORTS the MMO concept of being outgoing and making friends. Because, unlike in Duty Finder, you actually CHOOSE the people you play with.

So get your facts straight before complaining.


That being said, I would wish for it to be possible to use these matchmaking methods as well. However! That is not necessarily impossible going forward. It is possible that they will work on it, find the skills that do not break the game, compile them as sort of "level progression", present it to the player and say "At your level, if you have these skills, you can queue in a duty finder. Your actions will be switched to these skills without giving you the option to customize.". It is still possible going forward.

It is an experiment. One that does have a rough start, but that does have potential. The fact that you can take those overpowered skills into party content with an actual party shows that they are willing to build upon it which is more than people had thought.

Originally Posted by kikix12

You can do almost all the content that any other job can, in party or solo. The only ones you CANNOT do are PvP and Deep Dungeon.
Roulettes are not content, they are matchmaking method. Duty finder is not content, it's matchmaking method. As a Blue Mage you cannot use matchmaking methods, you need to make a party the old-fashioned way. That's all. You can do all the content in much the same way, just with people that are your friends. If anything, this SUPPORTS the MMO concept of being outgoing and making friends. Because, unlike in Duty Finder, you actually CHOOSE the people you play with.

So get your facts straight before complaining.

Well tbf, you won't be able to play Shadowbringers with BLU... :/

Originally Posted by Shirolumi

Well tbf, you won't be able to play Shadowbringers with BLU... :/

Story is content as well. You will be able to play it, just not at release. Delayed is different from not being able to play it.

You can say that means you'll never play it because by the time the cap will be raised you will long since finish it.

1) You don't know that. We don't know the rate at which its cap will increase.
2) The New Game+ will most likely allow you to do it with Blue Mage.
3) Alts can still do it at that point.


Yes, it sucks that you can't bring it into the NEWEST content...but let's be real. Between not having it at all and having it delayed, I prefer having it delayed, personally. I'll have plenty enough classes to choose from to take into the main story quest. This game is all about the freedom to become what you want. Trying to limit oneself to one, specific class is against the spirit of this game and I was actually pissed at Yoshida neutering that. I WANTED classes to be ineffective in certain content. Like Black Mages being ineffective in content that had heavy resistances to fire and ice, for example. This is just another version of that. Impossible to play the current content but trampling the older content.

Originally Posted by kikix12

Story is content as well. You will be able to play it, just not at release. Delayed is different from not being able to play it.

You can say that means you'll never play it because by the time the cap will be raised you will long since finish it.

1) You don't know that. We don't know the rate at which its cap will increase.
2) The New Game+ will most likely allow you to do it with Blue Mage.
3) Alts can still do it at that point.


Yes, it sucks that you can't bring it into the NEWEST content...but let's be real. Between not having it at all and having it delayed, I prefer having it delayed, personally. I'll have plenty enough classes to choose from to take into the main story quest. This game is all about the freedom to become what you want. Trying to limit oneself to one, specific class is against the spirit of this game and I was actually pissed at Yoshida neutering that. I WANTED classes to be ineffective in certain content. Like Black Mages being ineffective in content that had heavy resistances to fire and ice, for example. This is just another version of that. Impossible to play the current content but trampling the older content.

Not being able to take your favorite Job into the new Expansion or the Content you enjoy the most just because you have other jobs to choose from is not acceptable.

Originally Posted by Burningskull

Not being able to take your favorite Job into the new Expansion or the Content you enjoy the most just because you have other jobs to choose from is not acceptable.

Again, we don't know the rate at which the cap will be increased. If it will reach the cap of other classes at some point (instead of being permanently lower) then you will be able to do that content just as well. At that point, this is nothing but a "beta" with the actual release being later.

Seriously. You're potentially complaining about getting a "demo" before the full release, saying that they shouldn't release it and that you wanted to wait for the full release.

Again, we DO NOT KNOW how it will progress yet. It will progress "throughout patches", not expansions, so the level cap will be changed between expansions unlike it is for other jobs. This may be simply due to the volume of workload required for getting those skills, making them, putting up flags for the classes and such. This job DOES take more to design than normal class does, after all, while it still DOES get the same stuff as a normal class design-wise.


On a different note...are you sure it would be your favorite job if it was made to match FFXIV?! I think there would be a very high chance that you'd say "Meh, this tries to look like Blue Mage, but it's not. Black mage deals more damage anyway so whatever.". Not saying you would, of course, but it is a fact that the normal classes are a hit-or-miss. I for example dislike Black Mage even though I tend to play this sort of classes. I hate Bard as well, even though the mobile ranged class is attractive to me. And I really hate melee, even though those were my favorite in other MMO's. So yeah.

Originally Posted by kikix12

Again, we don't know the rate at which the cap will be increased. If it will reach the cap of other classes at some point (instead of being permanently lower) then you will be able to do that content just as well. At that point, this is nothing but a "beta" with the actual release being later.

Seriously. You're potentially complaining about getting a "demo" before the full release, saying that they shouldn't release it and that you wanted to wait for the full release.

Again, we DO NOT KNOW how it will progress yet. It will progress "throughout patches", not expansions, so the level cap will be changed between expansions unlike it is for other jobs. This may be simply due to the volume of workload required for getting those skills, making them, putting up flags for the classes and such. This job DOES take more to design than normal class does, after all, while it still DOES get the same stuff as a normal class design-wise.


On a different note...are you sure it would be your favorite job if it was made to match FFXIV?! I think there would be a very high chance that you'd say "Meh, this tries to look like Blue Mage, but it's not. Black mage deals more damage anyway so whatever.". Not saying you would, of course, but it is a fact that the normal classes are a hit-or-miss. I for example dislike Black Mage even though I tend to play this sort of classes. I hate Bard as well, even though the mobile ranged class is attractive to me. And I really hate melee, even though those were my favorite in other MMO's. So yeah.

Not my favorite job lol. I was just speaking in general. Me personally I've always wanted a gunblade job. I just hope it's not a tank cause I hate playing tanks lol.

Originally Posted by Burningskull

Not being able to take your favorite Job into the new Expansion or the Content you enjoy the most just because you have other jobs to choose from is not acceptable.

Yeah I cant imagine people who were waiting up to five years to make Blue Mage their main class just to find out this is what we are getting.

Originally Posted by Rita1989

Yeah I cant imagine people who were waiting up to five years to make Blue Mage their main class just to find out this is what we are getting.

People who waited 5 years already knew 4 years ago what it'd be like, as it turned out to be EXACTLY what Yoshida said during a live letter when talking about how they'd implement it.

If they just found out today and had other expectations and hype, then they have only themselves to blame.

Originally Posted by Rita1989

Yeah I cant imagine people who were waiting up to five years to make Blue Mage their main class just to find out this is what we are getting.

<- Right here.