Thread: Blue mage at patch 4.5

Originally Posted by Awful

You're missing the point here what if people want to main and raid as a BLU?

I want to have a class that consists of casting the limit breaks for free, with a godmode on.

Seriously. "What if the people want (...)" is an irksome argument at this point. It was said from the VERY BEGINNING that this class CANNOT come into FFXIV without limitations to it. There was a choice of making a different class and slapping the name "Blue Mage" on it, or making a Blue Mage and limiting it. They chose the second option. The better option, actually, because going forward they CAN make this class work in more things. Doing the reverse would be a lot harder. Once it would have lost its identity but still be accepted, you'd have an army of people against it regaining that identity because they'd like the fake Blue Mage. And rightfully so.

Originally Posted by Awful

You have to think about the freedom that this game gives you (...)

Ironic coming from someone with your arguments, because you argue AGAINST that freedom. The part of that freedom is switching classes on the fly. You are against using that. You don't want freedom. You want to go along a single, definite line. Part of "freedom" is the necessity to deal with the consequences on your own. In this case...it means that some classes may not be available for everything. In a normal MMO without the freedom to change classes this would be unacceptable, but it IS acceptable here BECAUSE you have the freedom.

Also, you can level in the same way. Again. Only PvP and Deep Dungeon are unavailable. And there is no faster queue than instant queue. You get instant queue when having pre-made party, while dungeons are on of the fastest leveling methods in the game. Not deep dungeon. Palace of the Dead at low to mid levels SUCKS. It's just easier to enter as a DPS, though not even that is true anymore.

Not to mention, PvP is separate on other classes already so it's rather likely they WILL allow Blue Mage in PvP somewhere down the line no matter how it's PvE side will continue.

Originally Posted by Awful

You have your own opinions and I have mine just the way this games combat, leveling, endgame experiences shouldn't be left to your class or the restrictions it should be the players choice and should play what they like whether it be alone or group.

Yes, opinions. And I have no intention of trying to change opinions by force nor call them wrong. However you are not using opinions alone. "Not being able to level like other classes" is not an opinion. It's a statement of a fact. But it is mostly wrong. Plain and simple. I am only discussing those matters where you do NOT bring up opinions. Don't like it?! That's your choice. Try to make it to be something else than it really is?! I'm going to point at it and call you wrong in that, because you are at the points I am discussing with you.

Originally Posted by kikix12

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You really have to look at the big picture here you're saying that my arguments go against freedom? It really doesn't there are people who want to level through PvP and there are still people here today that do it's pretty effective and breaks up the tediousness of leveling, guess what BLU can't do? Same with PotD so many people rushed Rdm and Sam because the ques were bad and was optimal to level by doing 50-60 floors so they could continue on with SB MSQ so they wouldn't be left behind, guess what level BLU is stuck at? 50.

To me you're saying that I am removing freedom when in reality it's SE where they limit you because it's a "limited" job (see what I did there) BLU is limited to what it can be apart of, limited to how it can level, limited to how it gets abilities, limited to how you can level it. Don't point fingers at me when SE is the one who chose to how you can level this class and how it interacts with how the core game is which guess what, the endgame is indeed Tome grinding and roulettes as well as whatever optional content that needs matchmaking which is an issue if people don't have premades and wanna play solo.

I'm not using facts, I am using what's given to me and how the state of the game is currently and how going forward with this experiment isn't going to create a desirable experience for a lot of people who are displeased with myself being one of them I'm just voicing how with all these things I said are issues that SE have made for everyone.

Originally Posted by Arkdra

Everything they announced seems pretty exciting to me and have elevated a job that I would have leveled to cap and ignored to something that I can see putting a lot of time into.

I agree with this. I think the concept of Blue Mage is very interesting and different; it's like a game on its own! I initially wasn't really interested, but now I am.
Besides, we'll get some other jobs for raiding at 5.0, so people at endgame content won't be empty handed.

Edit: Not sure if I misread, but wasn't Blue Mage allowed to do raids so long as they're in a premade party?

I just dont understand why they couldnt do both systems?

Give them core skills through quests that can be used in dungeons and raids and then on top of that let them collect more skills for solo content that will be locked out if you are doing recent group content.

@Clover_Blake: They could do raids with a premade party but only those lvl50 ones since the job is locked at that level for some time and is only raised through 5.x patches. Thus it cant do recent content.