Thread: Blue mage at patch 4.5

Originally Posted by Rita1989

Its not just "end game raiding" though it cant use the DF at all *snip*

You seem really adamant on defending SE on this one though.

As a match making element, they can't use DF. They can go into instanced content outside of deep dungeon and PvP via a pre-formed party, up to anything that is at or below their level-cap (which will be increased alongside patches, not at expansions).

And I am willing to defend SE on this because I have long been an advocate against the idea that a game should only be designed around getting to the level cap to do things. I've thought the "leveling doesn't matter, just end-game" mentality has been a sort of curse on the genre for years, and I see this experiment as an attempt at branching out from that narrow approach to designing MMOs.

I'm being open minded enough to give them a chance, and see more potential here with it than adding yet another job with a set rotation that they have to balance so that it can be among a growing roster of jobs competing for one of 8 spots in a couple dozen fights meant to be one at one specific level. It's a system with potential, and I find it laughable that it is being slammed without having been experienced, seemingly solely because it doesn't fit expectations.

Originally Posted by Aramina

I won't comment on PvP because it is not something I engage in. The other things though, you will be able to do things as a pre-made.

I'm almost certain you will never be able to do the deep dungeon. It was mentioned separately and without any notes about pre-mades.

Blue mages WILL be very overpowered. As the video shows, you can even stun the primals, other debuffs may work on them as well. Something like that would eat through deep dungeon easily making the achievements and getting the unique rewards from higher floors trivial solo, let alone in a pre-made party. So they will never get to enter it instead. I think it's rather understandable personally, even though I'd want it to be accessible too.

Originally Posted by Rita1989

This is a game that is designed around getting to max level and doing content afterwords whether it be MSQ, roulette's, primals, raids, Eureka or whatever which this job is completely unable to do.

Have you ever heard of Squadrons? Or Deep Dungeons? Or any side content where level is irrelevant like the Gold Saucer? You even bring PvP in your post, when it's actually a perfect counter example of the game being designed over "max level".

Originally Posted by kikix12

You can do almost all the content that any other job can, in party or solo. The only ones you CANNOT do are PvP and Deep Dungeon.
Roulettes are not content, they are matchmaking method. Duty finder is not content, it's matchmaking method. As a Blue Mage you cannot use matchmaking methods, you need to make a party the old-fashioned way. That's all. You can do all the content in much the same way, just with people that are your friends. If anything, this SUPPORTS the MMO concept of being outgoing and making friends. Because, unlike in Duty Finder, you actually CHOOSE the people you play with.

So get your facts straight before complaining.

Well tbf, you won't be able to play Shadowbringers with BLU... :/

Originally Posted by Shirolumi

Well tbf, you won't be able to play Shadowbringers with BLU... :/

Story is content as well. You will be able to play it, just not at release. Delayed is different from not being able to play it.

You can say that means you'll never play it because by the time the cap will be raised you will long since finish it.

1) You don't know that. We don't know the rate at which its cap will increase.
2) The New Game+ will most likely allow you to do it with Blue Mage.
3) Alts can still do it at that point.


Yes, it sucks that you can't bring it into the NEWEST content...but let's be real. Between not having it at all and having it delayed, I prefer having it delayed, personally. I'll have plenty enough classes to choose from to take into the main story quest. This game is all about the freedom to become what you want. Trying to limit oneself to one, specific class is against the spirit of this game and I was actually pissed at Yoshida neutering that. I WANTED classes to be ineffective in certain content. Like Black Mages being ineffective in content that had heavy resistances to fire and ice, for example. This is just another version of that. Impossible to play the current content but trampling the older content.

Originally Posted by kikix12

Story is content as well. You will be able to play it, just not at release. Delayed is different from not being able to play it.

You can say that means you'll never play it because by the time the cap will be raised you will long since finish it.

1) You don't know that. We don't know the rate at which its cap will increase.
2) The New Game+ will most likely allow you to do it with Blue Mage.
3) Alts can still do it at that point.


Yes, it sucks that you can't bring it into the NEWEST content...but let's be real. Between not having it at all and having it delayed, I prefer having it delayed, personally. I'll have plenty enough classes to choose from to take into the main story quest. This game is all about the freedom to become what you want. Trying to limit oneself to one, specific class is against the spirit of this game and I was actually pissed at Yoshida neutering that. I WANTED classes to be ineffective in certain content. Like Black Mages being ineffective in content that had heavy resistances to fire and ice, for example. This is just another version of that. Impossible to play the current content but trampling the older content.

Not being able to take your favorite Job into the new Expansion or the Content you enjoy the most just because you have other jobs to choose from is not acceptable.

Originally Posted by Valdegarde

Are we pretending that Level 5 Death worked against most bosses in most of the games?

Does Repose? Sleep? Leg Sweep?

It's a really poor justification.

Level 5 death would work against EVERY end-game boss because every endgame boss is level 50, 60 or 70.



Source for quote below

Q: I love the blue mage job that appears in the FINAL FANTASY series. Will the blue mage job ever be implemented in FFXIV?

A: I think that blue mage is an interesting job because you can learn spells from enemies, but honestly I don't think that it really fits MMORPG party settings. If anything, I think it would work solo and it would be really fun to implement it as a job where you go around and learn abilities from every monster, so I'd definitely like to try and do this, but I'm concerned when it comes to playing in a party players would put up barriers if you haven't learned certain abilities. Additionally, in the event you are able to use abilities forever once you learn them, the difficulty of learning abilities would be high, and we wouldn't be able to balance the system so it wouldn't revolve around procuring your abilities instead of equipment. This wouldn't be practical enough to fit in an MMORPG party setting and conversely if you are swapping in only certain abilities you've learned, the true image of a blue mage would diminish, so this is something that I am concerned with.

Hmm. Seems like Yoshi-P already telegraphed this. I'm not concerned about what people think about maybe having to do everything solo, it just dumps cold water on the people who can't do any content without being carried.

BLU in a nutshell: