Thread: Blue mage at patch 4.5

Originally Posted by Berethos

Honestly, some of ya'll are being really narrow minded about how classes can be added to a game like this.

They could've done both if they were already investing so much into a job and literally no one would've complained. The solo experience would've became optional content for BLU fans who'd have done it anyway, only now a lot more people would've at least picked BLU up and therefore given the solo play at least a try too.

Originally Posted by BillyKaplan

They could've done both if they were already investing so much into a job and literally no one would've complained. The solo experience would've became optional content for BLU fans who'd have done it anyway, only now a lot more people would've at least picked BLU up and therefore given the solo play at least a try too.

A job that works two vastly different ways depending on where you're using it?

Yeah, that's not a design nightmare, nor terribly unfun to play.

Originally Posted by Berethos

A job that works two vastly different ways depending on where you're using it?

Yeah, that's not a design nightmare, nor terribly unfun to play.

You're being really narrow minded about how classes can be added to a game like this

Originally Posted by Berethos

They've talked at length about this before, so we know that they DID consider whether or not it could fit in XIV, or whether or not they should change it to add it as a traditional job/class to fit XIV, with the preference being that it be added as the true Blue Mage, and not a version that "learns" abilities once via quests and plays like the other casters in this game.

Clearly this is their decision, that they did not want to change it to fit the traditional job role, and so rather than leave it out are adding a new set of content designed specifically for it so they can add it under it's traditional design.

Honestly, some of ya'll are being really narrow minded about how classes can be added to a game like this.

Hi, my RDM can heal, DPS, and Raise. It specializes as a ranged magical DPS while also using sword melee. They're able to combine them with job fantasy. Idk why you want to defend this so hard.

Originally Posted by Beckett

It really feels like the devs thought the only way BLU could work is if it's exactly like it is in FFXI, and never even considered changing it to actually fit into XIV. Every other job (even Red Mage) got massive reworks from what people might be used to, in order to make them work for this game. I'm not sure why Blue Mage is the one thing they decided absolutely couldn't be different from XI.

Not saying I do or don't like this decision in general myself, as I have mixed feelings, but...

Some of those jobs are downright terrible representations of their classic job reference, completely destroyed to make them fit into the way the dev team wants an MMO to work. Red Mage managed to turn out great and have all their classic abilities converted in a way that makes sense, and even Dark Knight IMO was reworked pretty well into a tank. But Summoner has been some kind of WoW Warlock and a dragon laser mage, never an actual Final Fantasy Summoner. Thief doesn't even exist, and Bard and Ranger are both...not right. They're all good jobs as they are, just not at all like their prior FF counterparts.

I don't think it was outright impossible to do Blue Mage right as a party job, but I do understand their concerns with being able to learn and use classic blue magic like Mighty Guard and Level 5 Death in an MMO setting, particularly given their track record with other jobs.

If your going to make limited jobs at least address your open world areas you seriously need to expand on this rng for spells to go into a arena/instance dungeons isn't cutting it. What are the reward anything unique for doing this beyond spells or just tomes again seriously wth! I better off to play blu on ffxi >.>

They could've done so much more with this. And if it ended up being a caster with blue mage flavor only, how is that different from essentially any dps? They're all variations of the same role doing mostly the same thing with utilities being the bigger difference. Red Mage wasn't exactly what we wanted but they made it work within the battle system of this game but Blue Mage was too hard for them. What a waste of interesting new abilities and spells that won't be used in meaningful content anytime soon if at all.

People need to stop being amazed at backlash over new, different content. Different in and of itself doesn't make it good. And while a part of me thinks BLU might be a fascinating experience, it's not what was asked for. This is a horrible bait and switch.

Originally Posted by BillyKaplan

People need to stop being amazed at backlash over new, different content. Different in and of itself doesn't make it good. And while a part of me thinks BLU might be a fascinating experience, it's not what was asked for. This is a horrible bait and switch.

You say that like the community ever agreed on what they were asking for. Some wanted a caster with Blue Mage flavored spells learned the traditional way, some wanted the traditional Blue Mage design where you learned abilities and could switch them out.

And while you're right that different in and of itself doesn't make it good, you and others seem to have already made your decision that because it is different that it is, in and of itself, bad...solely because it doesn't match what you were expecting. You haven't even played it, nor tried the content being designed for it, and have already proclaimed your judgment and thrown it in the trash.

Also, bait and switch? That would require them not having been upfront that it was different from the moment they announced it. If they had acted like it was going to be a traditional class and then explained as this version, that would be bait and switch. Within seconds of the trailer ending, they were explaining that it was the first "limited job" and would have an initial lower level cap, which immediately set the expectation that it would work differently. There was no time for them to bait you on this, much less then switch.

So while I'm not surprised that some of ya'll are getting uppity and going for the backlash route on this, I have no problem calling you out for your backlash being unreasonable and honestly childish.