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I ask of you what ideas you had for BRD’s current Repertoire mechanic—I’ve looked through your OP, and, unless I’m missing it, I do not see anything addressing that mechanic at this time. Is it still going to proc, depending on critical DoT ticks? Or are you wanting to shift it to a flat percentage?
I have my thoughts on it, but I'd planned no changes to it here. The DoT-ticks-only concept will suffice for now, though I do believe there are advantages to widening this to all weaponskills (see below).

In the event that it affects damage, I would think that a revision of Army’s Paeon’s Repertoire mechanic would definitely need to be done. Last tier, BRD’s High Crit BiS had us sitting at a 2.40 GCD, and with the full +16% Haste from AP the clipping was absolutely awful with just single-weaving (double-weaving is impossible in AP even at lower Skill Speed levels thanks to the Haste—I’m at a 2.47 GCD right now, and I still cannot double weave without clipping my next GCD). Even with AP’s lack of oGCD procs, we still have oGCDs we usage and manage during, and I’d like to see the clipping reduced as much as possible. If we start stacking Speed as a substat to enhance damage, AP would become an absolute nightmare with the current Haste mechanic to it. So that would need to be addressed to prevent lost damage due to clipping that we cannot control.
As someone who's been forced to single-weave on Monk and SAM damn near forever, and often on Bow Mage before that, I don't personally have a problem with one song for which damage output doesn't particular depend on immediacy of oGCD usage having to single-weave. Nonetheless, I do understand that it is an important part of Bard-ing for many.

The change I'd most look forward to of all that I've suggested is scaled animation times/locks on Speed. (I've now underlined this for emphasis.) Even now, though, SkS's GCD reduction does not work additively with Attack Speed buffs. The more Attack Speed your buffs generate, the fewer hundredths of a second Skill Speed sheds. The same with occur with the revision. As the GCD reduction rate of Speed would be lower than that of present Skill Speed, at least once past ~2.46, iirc, it should force too the animations to be feel too weightless even then. But even with that huge adjustment I'm still a bit worried about it, yeah.

[Yet more spitball ideas] I've thought about replacing it with a burnable buff of 3 maximum stacks, similar to Wanderer's Minuet, where you build up stacks of Haste (5% per stack) and increased Heavier Shot chance (20% per stack), but the stacks supplying the added chance required to generate the Refulgent Arrow is "consumed" when used. Let me explain.
Think of it as a dice roll, 1-100. Normally, you'd have to score an 80 or better. With a single stack, 60 or better. With two, 40. With three, a 20 or better. So, let's say you have two stacks, meaning you need only roll a 40. Let's use a few test rolls here to demonstrate the "consumption":
(1) You roll a 12. No Refulgent Arrow procced, but no stacks can be consumed. Try again.
(2) You roll a 44. Refulgent Arrow is procced, and the (top, if you had three total) two Repertoire stacks are highlighted in red to show they will be consumed if you use this particular Refulgent Arrow. (2 required to allow the Refulgent Arrow = 2 consumed.)
(3) You roll a 68. Refulgent Arrow is procced, and the top Repertoire stack is highlighted in red to show it will be consumed if you use this particular Refulgent Arrow. (1 required to allow the Refulgent Arrow = 1 consumed.)
(4) You roll an 88. Refulgent Arrow is procced, but as you would have gotten it anyways, no Repertoire stacks are highlighted and none are deleted upon use.

That way, you'd have the option of holding onto the Haste stacks so that you can quickly mass-DoT, but you can also purge that added Attack Speed through more uses of your nuke.

If you wanted to further encourage low-Haste play, though, you'd want to remove the fair consumption mechanic and/or have the bonus chance scale in a tapering fashion over stack count, which may then require a slight reduction to RA damage (but at that point, Straighter Shot becomes more viable, meaning you'd have to stick the crit chance on RA -- which I'm fine with -- or allow those options separately again).

but whether it can even out depends on the way Repertoire procs will be handled going forward, since there are outcries against it procing off of critical DoT ticks (personally, I like the way it functions now but there are concerns about balancing with the current way Crit scales).
1. I think it would generally turn into a nerf unless you're sitting at 2 stacks with it about to refresh but your DoTs also about to mass-tick. For typical raid content, the most you could receive is two stacks per tick, so I don't think the benefits for 3rd-stacking would faintly outweigh the loss of the occasional Bloodletter on average? I could be wrong though, as I'm quite tired and am having difficulty mentally simulating that.

2. That's an interesting topic, though one I'd purposely avoided in my own suggestions for now. I am of that other camp: personally, I'd like for Monk and Bard to have a chance on all weaponskills (initial damage and, in Bard's case at least, including their DoT ticks) equal to their bonus damage multiplier from Crits/DHits/Crit-DHits to receive a Repertoire, where the damage bonus of Determination, multiplied by that multiplier, further augments that chance, such that every secondary stat contributes in some way. Your DoTs are still of higher value as they would give 11 chances each, as compared to 1, but then you do at least see something from every GCD. (Each use of Quick Knock or Wide Volley could apply only one stack, but takes the best roll of the bunch, making it damn near guaranteed.) That already would offer Army's Paean greatly increased benefits. This would take a fair bit of rebalancing, though (likely then using another multipler based on the attack's potency, such that RA has a higher chance to proc something on Crit than Windbite initial damage), and make Bard even more compositionally dependent.

If swapping into Minuet with BL/RoD off-cooldown equals a stack, it would become a case of holding Bloodletter/RoD for the upcoming Minuet+RS window to guarantee a stack. We already do this with EA so that we can force one stack, and then force another/settle for Barrage+EA if we don’t get an RA proc, but then that also takes away from what we can do in AP. Removing another oGCD from AP would make it even less potent than it currently is unless something was worked into it to make up for holding both a second 260 potency oGCD and a second 130 potency oGCD.
To the first sentence: Yes, and I'm fine with that, especially since you can only get 2 free stacks in this way regardless of whether you hold for WM, and the single-stack addition would be redundant with EA until after your DoT's have ticked (with only one critting).

The the last: I don't think losing a BL in the AP window makes AP itself any less potent. AP has no effect on BL, SW, or EA, etc. If it occurs during the AP window, that is coincidental. Now, the slight bonus to the WM window may diminish it by comparison, but we're aiming to make AP of decent strength regardless, and at present, that small increase to the gap is far from significant.

Personally, I would like to see a shift towards a 90-second song rotation, rather than an 80-second one, as it would make it more in line with the way major raid buffs are set up (though 2-minute ones still would not line up perfectly with everything except in the opener and at 6 minutes, but a 90-second rotation will allow BRD’s burst to line up with both 90-second and 180-second buffs).

The “lazy way”, of course, would be to just increase the Recast timers of Raging Strikes and Barrage to 90 seconds and do nothing to Army’s, but I would prefer to see the developers do something to make Army’s Paeon worth staying in for the full duration.
I think both would be of benefit regardless. That may make my RDM change to Embolden further favor Bard and Dragoon over Samurai, but so be it if needed for the sake of intuitiveness or sync; SAM should be fine even so. While the Barrage CD never feels too awful, the 80-second timer on Raging Strikes just feels really awkward anyways at many GCD speeds, sometimes forcing a saving Iron Jaws just before Raging Strikes just to use Iron Jaws yet again. I realize that shouldn't necessarily be the case, but many a time I'm either 2 seconds to early on DoT resets or .4 seconds too late, such that it's fairly consistently so.

I wasn’t advocating to replace Warden’s with Palisade and make Palisade BRD only; I was advocating to give it a use similar, but for magic damage, and to make it a role skill so that both BRD and MCH can have access to it (and they will both continue to have access to Palisade).
Thank you for the clarification.

That said, doesn't that then just leave Bard with one fewer support tool, or equivalent, than MCH? Additionally, Ranged jobs could then deny up to 20% of damage to be dealt to the tank twice per 150 seconds, depending on whether at least one magical and at least one physical nuke would go off per those 150 seconds. That seems a noticable buff to both, even if less so to Bard, that might not be warranted. Even if Palisade alone were changed to now affect all damage, that would breaks symmetry with Casters' Apocatastasis and the removal of a Bard ability would affect (if not typically significantly) symmetry/parity between MCH and BRD.

Less important stuff:
Honestly, I still don’t see it being useful or worth the real estate in the bolded situation.
Then for the time being, though, can't it just be taken off your bars, as Blank would be? When you exclude the redundancies within the Machinist toolkit, Bard has the same skill count as Machinist. Should Blank have to be removed as well, even though it does still at least see niche use? If it's fight-by-fight situational, it's not functionally taking up real estate except in the fights where it's helpful, and therefore equipped... where it's also worth that space. It seems a bit much to remove it, then, just for being a conceptual eyesore on the fights one refuses to use it, yet leaves it equipped.

The current iteration, you can launch yourself away from a target, but you cannot double weave with Repelling, and you will clip your subsequent GCD due to animation. It’s more prudent to just run out (and less of a loss).
That wouldn't necessarily be the case with its animation lock fixed, though. I can easily double-weave from the further-launching Displacement despite using the same high-SpS gear from my BLM when on my RDM. I can double-weave with Plunge. If I wasn't running 2.7k Skill Speed, I could do so with Gyoton on my SAM. Repelling Shot is just uniquely bad at the moment. But the more (Skill) Speed one has by which for the GCD to delay a third oGCD and more importantly the fewer needs to double-weave for other reasons, as per the changes suggested, the more viable it would be to launch oneself out. Necessary? As those AoEs are intended to give you enough time to escape anyways, not unless something goes wrong. But it's still nothing you're losing out on something else for, for now.

To reaffirm, I don't care that much about Repelling Shot. I just see no reason to remove it. There are just too many ways to make it not have its current issues for that to seem a close or warranted solution. I mean, heck, you could even have it share cooldowns and potency with Bloodletter, while Blank shares its with Gauss Round. Normally, you'd just use the other, but if you want to Repelling Shot out of somewhere or Blank something away, feel free -- it comes at no opportunity cost to you as those skills should be aligned for soonest possible use anyways and you lose no potency in the oGCD by taking the added utility.

Song rotation has little bearing on how you use Warden’s, Palisade, or Minne—they center around mechanics and what your party is doing more times than they do your song rotation (e.g., Palisade for physical busters; Minne for spreading Adlos from a WAR). There’s always a strict point in each encounter where you use one of them, independent of songs. Every instance where I use Palisade or Minne in an encounter is mapped out according to the fight’s timeline. In dungeons, both are used basically off-cooldown (Minne especially).
Oh, I'm wholly aware. I just made the mistake of thinking aloud without the other mental context. In my idea of an "ideal" Bard, the songs are all tied again to MP, with increasing activation and drain costs over use which then reverses over disuse (though at half the speed at which it increased), such that MP sustain would require that you rotate every 30 seconds, for a cycle of 90, but you have an MP bar's worth of flexibility. Foe Requiem would trade out to a sort "Inverted Mode" of each song of further activation and drain MP cost to inflict effects on enemies. From these 3 (inversions/augmentations included, 6) Song effects, you could then have tremendous variance in point-support (defensive or offensive) even with just a single key (though I'd prefer two). Heck, Iron Jaws, which especially now makes us feel rather HS-spammy, easily could have been an adaptive point-support option, giving it more of an adjustive gameplay feel. Battle Voice? Same idea. Additional activation and drain cost, spreading the benefits of (or based on) your song to your allies. But, that's just me, so I'm not about to include it here.

Personally, I don’t use Peloton that often, so sacrificing it would not be a loss for me—the instances where I play BRD, I’m mostly in-combat and cannot use it.

I would be more than willing to give up any of the Graze skills; as I’ve said, we’ve effectively only used one in any sort of high-end content, and rarely are dungeons ever warranting the use of CC due to how everything can be brute-forced. Any uses CC has is in PotD/HoH or Eureka, and those feel a bit too niche. And, as with dungeons, you can just power-through without the use of CC—unlike with the Savage mechanics where, if you didn’t Silence Ultros (O7S) or the Iron Giant (O3S), you wiped.
The less the game gravitates solely to the more rutted 8-man experience, the better, in my opinion. I'd much rather see Peloton worked into Bard's songs and MCH's turret skills themselves, and the graze skills reintegrated and revised (just as, imo, Refresh and Tactician should be), but what little content that remains outside of circular arenas and CC-immune mobs feels like it needs at least this much going for it. Not every Role Action needs to be useful to raiding for a sub-role or job to be entirely functional and balanced, nor does every Role Action need to be perfectly useful when you'd otherwise have extra slots to work with.

It really just comes down to one of the existing skills needing to carry an optional threat reduction in a way that feels right. Honestly, I'd probably be happy with Wildfire to instead cost the MCH 25% damage to later detonate for twice that amount with no enmity increase (counts like a one-time pet), and Raging Strikes replaced with... From the Brush or The Wise Hunter the like, which both increases damage and decreases enmity. (You'd just really need to be sure there was some smart auto-detonation mechanic on Wildfire at that point, to go off before any jump or when mob HP falls to or below the amount of damage stored in Wildfire. But as Wildfire would hereafter provide AoE damage... that'd be a pretty damn strong skill, all while diminishing the worst of MCH's enmity spikes.)