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[Lufir]

I think the loud minority are just hating on the forums. I am enjoying Eureka as well as many others I see in on a daily basis. The instances are usually full of people. So, it must be pretty successful.

Some of your complaints are related to players in general. No game can force players to act differently at the cost of convenience.

1. There are ways you can still keep in touch with players you have met across instances and servers on your same data center. But, again SE can't force players to be more friendly.

2. There isn't much SE can do about players standing around waiting for fates. And if you are the ones standing around waiting for fates, why not do something? There is plenty to do depending on which phase of Eureka you are on.

3. I agree with your point here. But, SE wants savage and ultimate content to reap the greatest rewards. Relic has always been like this.

4. Not related to Eureka itself

5. Not entirely related to Eureka itself, and stating that 95% of players leaving because of glamours is a baseless claim.

6. I can't speak on budgets for FF11, FF14 1.0, and FF15, because I don't know. But, each of those games were vastly different and each had more than their own fair share of issues. FF14 1.0 especially was terrible and there was a reason it died. I don't understand the overrated nostalgia people express towards that era.

[Vidu]

I think the loud minority are just hating on the forums. I am enjoying Eureka as well as many others I see in on a daily basis. The instances are usually full of people. So, it must be pretty successful.

I'm glad to hear you're enjoying Eureka! I seriously am - but I also need to comment on this, because I believe the equation "full instances = people are enjoying the content" is wrong. Some people - like you - are probably actually enjoying this. But I know enough people who are playing the content are either indifferent towards it ("Meh, its something to do") or dont like the content, but are playing it for the rewards only.
...and seeing how the rewards are the relic-weapon (amongst a tone of other stuff, but mainly the relic weapon) the devs kinda knew this would be an issue. That people wouldnt want to do this content without a very delicious and intresting carrot.

I'm not telling people not to enjoy Eureka - if you can, all the power to you! But I truely wish that SE would do/would have done two things:

1) Disconnected the relic from Eureka or at least offered a Eureka-free version of it (I seriously believe that a lot of complains are related to that - we were able to get the ARR and HW by both playing solo and with friends on occassion, we had options in regards to what we wanted to do in order to earn our tomes/light/stats/sands, whatever, we werent restricted to one zone only... I think Eureka would have been recibed better if we'd still gotten the relic elsewhere and Eureka would have included "Eureka-weapons" as yet another alternative to the other weapons ingame)
2) Set up an actual survey in regards to Eureka - I would even be okay with the results proving you right and myself wrong! But right now both of us AND the devs are only guessing on wether or not people like the content. They're doing it and SE got the numbers for that, but I'm seriously wondering how many people actually enjoy what they're doing there. Even if you brush off the forums and complainers as "vocal minority", I'd be very curious to see how many people in an instance actually enjoy the gameplay... thinking back to Anemos and how they changed Pagos, I can only assume that chaining mobs isnt fun for most of us and thats why we invented the NM-train in Anemos, with 80% of people afking instead of chaining mobs - speaks to how much fun it is to most people...
But a survey would even speak better and could actually show the devs how well this content is recived - its great if content gets played and they probably have data for that. But wouldnt it be even better if they also had feedback on what content is actually enjoyed?
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[Liam_Harper]

I think the loud minority are just hating on the forums.

The loud minority comments baffle me sometimes.

Pagos was nerfed 3 times. Pyros is like a nerfed version of Pagos. The devs, who have all the numbers, did this because Eureka is doing great?
The instances are far from full, there's usually one or two instances going at most, if you leave instance you nearly always end up in the same one. During Anemos you could instance-hop between many full instances. Eureka popularity is in a severe decline.
Player in the game in Eureka itself are complaining. They constantly bash Eureka openly in /shout.
Why do "Eureka is poor content posts" get so many upvotes when there's only a tiny minority to vote, while your huge majority aren't supporting the "Eureka is great" posts?
Subs are currently declining. Nothing major, ff14's doing fine but certainly not a high point for the game either.

[TheGrimace]

Yeah, the only reason I do Eureka is for the rewards and the little bit of story it has. I do it now because over time I imagine the content will be as dead as Diadem. I get very OCD about certain things, and so despite not enjoying Eureka, I still feel the urge to complete it before it truly dies.

I much prefer the old relic methods to Eureka because they would reinvigorate older dungeons and bring new life to the game in the process. Yes, there were many parts that were a slog, but you would interact with lots of new players in the process. Eureka is just a grind for the sake of having a grind, and it doesn't benefit the rest of the game in any way like previous relics did. There's also the fact that dungeons are my favorite content in this game and since they diverted development time to Eureka, we only get 3 dungeons every 2 patches. I miss when we'd get that many in ARR for a single patch, even if that was not realistic to uphold.

The diminishing returns on Eureka are just not worth the time invested in the content, for both the developers and the players. Unless they actually begin to listen to the complaints and act upon them at a higher frequency, Eureka will end the same way Diadem did.

[Lufir]

The loud minority comments baffle me sometimes.

Pagos was nerfed 3 times. Pyros is like a nerfed version of Pagos. The devs, who have all the numbers, did this because Eureka is doing great?
The instances are far from full, there's usually one or two instances going at most, if you leave instance you nearly always end up in the same one. During Anemos you could instance-hop between many full instances. Eureka popularity is in a severe decline.
Player in the game in Eureka itself are complaining. They constantly bash Eureka openly in /shout.
Why do "Eureka is poor content posts" get so many upvotes when there's only a tiny minority to vote, while your huge majority aren't supporting the "Eureka is great" posts?
Subs are currently declining. Nothing major, ff14's doing fine but certainly not a high point for the game either.

The loud minority refers to the small amount of community who visits the forums regularly. The majority refers to the FFXIV players who don't actively participate here. You do know that the majority of players don't visit these forums right?

I've seen a few bash Eureka in shout, and that is usually when it was first released. Other than that it is mostly filled with people chatting or looking for party/raises lol. And every instance I have been in around peak times is nearly full. Overnight hours are still populated when I am able to play. So, I can't really argue with he said she said but, I'm sorry it appears so empty for you :/

In regards to your comment about subs on the decline: I don't have the numbers so I'm trusting that you are correct in that statement, but this is common and expected now that Stormblood is coming to a close, and new video games are being released almost every other week.

[jameseoakes]

The loud minority refers to the small amount of community who visits the forums regularly. The majority refers to the FFXIV players who don't actively participate here. You do know that the majority of players don't visit these forums right?

I've seen a few bash Eureka in shout, and that is usually when it was first released. Other than that it is mostly filled with people chatting or looking for party/raises lol. And every instance I have been in around peak times is nearly full. Overnight hours are still populated when I am able to play. So, I can't really argue with he said she said but, I'm sorry it appears so empty for you :/

In regards to your comment about subs on the decline: I don't have the numbers so I'm trusting that you are correct in that statement, but this is common and expected now that Stormblood is coming to a close, and new video games are being released almost every other week.

Most Pagos instances have had quite a few people in shout complaining just how much they hate the content which is understandable as the Pagos design was just spiteful and I see very little positivity in the runs

[Bourne_Endeavor]

The loud minority refers to the small amount of community who visits the forums regularly. The majority refers to the FFXIV players who don't actively participate here. You do know that the majority of players don't visit these forums right?

I've seen a few bash Eureka in shout, and that is usually when it was first released. Other than that it is mostly filled with people chatting or looking for party/raises lol. And every instance I have been in around peak times is nearly full. Overnight hours are still populated when I am able to play. So, I can't really argue with he said she said but, I'm sorry it appears so empty for you :/

In regards to your comment about subs on the decline: I don't have the numbers so I'm trusting that you are correct in that statement, but this is common and expected now that Stormblood is coming to a close, and new video games are being released almost every other week.

I will continue to reiterate this until people stop dismissing the online presence as a small fragment. EA did precisely this; dismissing the enormous backlash Mass Effect 3's ending received. There was a poll on their forums with a 100,000 votes and a 93% disapproval rating. "It's just a vocal, entitled, minority!" Some game's media outlets (Hi, IGN) screamed. Yes, well, Amazon didn't think so when they allowed full refunds on opened copies due to the sheer volume of complaints. And EA didn't think so when they pushed back DLC and remade the ending after the negative attention cost them a significant amount of money. For more recent examples, see Star Wars: Battlefront II and Battlefield V. The "vocal minority" on reddit amassed a dislike ratio of over 600,000 and financial reports were far below the mark—enough Disney threatened to pull the Star Wars license from EA.

Now Eureka is by no means comparable to the aforementioned. I merely wanted to illustrate how much larger an online presence video games have nowadays. With that in mind, if we look to the FFXIV sub reddit, it boasts 195,070 subscribers. Let's be very generous and cut this number in half. That is still roughly 1/5 of the entire FFXIV active playerbase on one English chat site. And the opinions from said chat site are overwhelmingly negative. Granted, Pyros has been much better received. But as a whole, Eureka has not been considered good content. Keep in mind, just because people are in Eureka, doesn't mean they like it.