Thread: Let Me Level up in 5.0

Ideally, starting at level 1 would allow you to learn the job you are leveling bit by bit as you gain new abilities. In practice, this doesn't always work and can even lead to players learning bad habits. A player could get too attached to their bread and butter abilities and not properly implement new skills. A particularly bad example of this is when the game gives you part 1 of a new combo, but doesn't give you part 2 or part 3 of the combo until multiple levels later. In the worst case scenario, this leads to a player thinking, "Well that ability is useless, I'm never going to bother hitting it again."

I prefer new jobs starting at higher levels because you get a more complete look at how the job is supposed to work, right away. You might still run into issues with a job playing differently at level 50 compared to how it plays at 70, but the closer a job starts to the level cap, the more similar its starting rotation will be to the final version.

Originally Posted by Syrus718

Everything that SE does For the FF14 Community Appeases one part while the other complains.

While true, that doesn't mean that can add everything requested or that just because some people want it that it's worth the investment. There are people who want BLU to be a normal job, they don't mind the limited version staying, they'd just like a separate version of BLU that's balanced like a normal job. Like your suggestion for optional levelling adding a second normal version of BLU wouldn't impact those that want the limited one, those doesn't mean SE can or will do it if they feel it's not worth the effort/the desire isn't great enough.

Also while YOU are fine with the job not getting any quests bellow it's starting level doesn't mean everyone else would be, even some of those that would want to level.
The jobs may even need adjusting as they weren't designed to work at such a low level and effectively get away with it due to the increased power from being synced down.
With the way the design jobs and don't make lower level weapons for them, theirs just more work involved in adding this than just adding a toggle.

Originally Posted by BlitzAceRush

While true, that doesn't mean that can add everything requested or that just because some people want it that it's worth the investment. There are people who want BLU to be a normal job, they don't mind the limited version staying, they'd just like a separate version of BLU that's balanced like a normal job. Like your suggestion for optional levelling adding a second normal version of BLU wouldn't impact those that want the limited one,

Also while YOU are fine with the job not getting any quests bellow it's starting level doesn't mean everyone else would be, even some of those that would want to level.
The jobs may even need adjusting as they weren't designed to work at such a low level and effectively get away with it due to the increased power from being synced down.

I had this really articulated reply with bullet points that I deleted by mistake so heres the summary. You saying just because some people want it it's not worth the investment But Ultimate raids are for My Guesstimation 1% of the playerbase. An exaggerated playerbase population is 25 Million and out of that 250 thousand care so that dismissive opinion to me is Null.

Speaking of Blue mage i am not one of the people who have been waiting 5 years for the job but I wanted A Normal Blue also. I'm not mad at what we got either because its content and at the same time I get to start from level 1.
Theres no way blue mage could have entered 14 without backlash. That balanced normal blue you mentioned still comes with stipulations entering content. You need these skills(One Of Us), use this rotation(One Of Us) Buff at this Exact Moment (One Of Us), Bullcrap-Optimized-Meta's... if not theres fear of being kicked.
Blue would have been just like other Jobs or Especially RDM in 14. With People Having Said It doesnt Feel authentic or it it feels like every other job. The parts that aren't like the other jobs has certain community members cry for nerfs to make it so. (Im Looking at the people who said blm should get raise Because Red has it or Nerf Dualcasting raise Because summoners And Healers cant) theres no winning here.
I'm Fine With Starting at level 1 with nothing extra as A sacrifice of being able to do it. (give and take) I'm not fine with ultimate raids taking up resources and development time that could have gone to new dungeons or something I'd enjoy to appease a small percentage, but I'm happy these players have an option to challenge themselves or extend their gaming time which Nullifies the first part of this statement. That's the community player in me.
The OptionTo Start At Level One should not be so big of a deal that people are saying no Because they dont want to do it...
I hope I did not come off offensive because everyone has a opinion and im usually on the forums reading everyone elses

Originally Posted by Syrus718

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I'm not saying you shouldn't get it because the desire might be small, I'm also not saying you shouldn't get it because it's forced on others, you've made it clear your idea is for an optional toggle.

What I was saying is that even when a request has no downsides and wouldn't take too much work, doesn't always mean it can be or will be done. Take the combo action thread, in there some people want the option to toggle their combos into one button, they don't want it to replace how things are now (well, some of them anyway...) but they just want the option so those who do, can. It would likely take even less work for that idea than your idea given between PVP, the changes WAR got and DRG, the tech is already there, they'd just have to use it in other places, but that idea still may not ever be used.

I said in my first post here that I'm not against your idea, I simply pointed out that
1: A lot (not all) but a lot of that can be simulated (not perfectly) already.
2: While you'd be happy with just a level one toggle doesn't mean everyone else would be.

Those who wanted WoW classic were in agreement on wanting it, right up till Blizzard said they'd add it, then the big debate of what exactly classic was began. What patch should it be at? Can we have QOL stuff? Can we have updated models and animations? No! It should be pure! Everyone had their own version, their own idea.

To conclude, I hope you do get what you want, it makes no difference to me I won't use it, but nothing changes for me, if it makes you happy then why not?
I was just pointed out some of the things SE likely has to consider whenever an idea is presented to them and also pointed out means you can get some of what you wanted in the game currently if they didn't add the ability to level.

P.S I agree with you about BLU and I don't raid so I see no benefit from the resources SE uses on it and would be totally fine if they dropped them to add other stuff, however if some folks enjoy it, great there are many parts to 14 I'm sure not everyone likes, such as story, pvp, raids, crafting/gathering, Eureka but they can only add so many and they'll always be someones desired idea left out.

Originally Posted by Syrus718

...Some of us prefer/want the OPTION to start new jobs at level 1...

We already have that.
You can solo potd and you can get and test your skills one at time leveling up there. And lvlup is enough fast you don't have to wait too much time before completing your skillset and make your own base rotation.

Originally Posted by LalaRu

We already have that.
You can solo potd and you can get and test your skills one at time leveling up there. And lvlup is enough fast you don't have to wait too much time before completing your skillset and make your own base rotation.

I addressed potd Leveling in a previous post. Every other kill your leveling up in palace and your aetherpool level can over power the enemy to fast it's not the same.

Originally Posted by BlitzAceRush

I'm not saying you shouldn't get it because the desire might be small, I'm also not saying you shouldn't get it because it's forced on others, you've made it clear your idea is for an optional toggle.

What I was saying is that even when a request has no downsides and wouldn't take too much work, doesn't always mean it can be or will be done. Take the combo action thread, in there some people want the option to toggle their combos into one button, they don't want it to replace how things are now (well, some of them anyway...) but they just want the option so those who do, can. It would likely take even less work for that idea than your idea given between PVP, the changes WAR got and DRG, the tech is already there, they'd just have to use it in other places, but that idea still may not ever be used.

I said in my first post here that I'm not against your idea, I simply pointed out that
1: A lot (not all) but a lot of that can be simulated (not perfectly) already.
2: While you'd be happy with just a level one toggle doesn't mean everyone else would be.

Those who wanted WoW classic were in agreement on wanting it, right up till Blizzard said they'd add it, then the big debate of what exactly classic was began. What patch should it be at? Can we have QOL stuff? Can we have updated models and animations? No! It should be pure! Everyone had their own version, their own idea.

To conclude, I hope you do get what you want, it makes no difference to me I won't use it, but nothing changes for me, if it makes you happy then why not?
I was just pointed out some of the things SE likely has to consider whenever an idea is presented to them and also pointed out means you can get some of what you wanted in the game currently if they didn't add the ability to level.

P.S I agree with you about BLU and I don't raid so I see no benefit from the resources SE uses on it and would be totally fine if they dropped them to add other stuff, however if some folks enjoy it, great there are many parts to 14 I'm sure not everyone likes, such as story, pvp, raids, crafting/gathering, Eureka but they can only add so many and they'll always be someones desired idea left out.

I agree with your point just because people are never satisfied rather then just enjoy the game or improvements that will a benefit and hurt no one it becomes an issue of entitlement, But I said I Understand your points

Originally Posted by Syrus718

I addressed potd Leveling in a previous post. Every other kill your leveling up in palace and your aetherpool level can over power the enemy to fast it's not the same.

Do it solo.

I know that a lot of people like to stay all day long in tiny instances, but as someone who prefer to level in outdoor world maps with my chocobo, with fates, battlecraft leves, tribal quests, buying new stuff from the npcs, etc, doing potd solo isn't a relevant answer to the topic.