Eureka Weapons Will Be The Undisputed Strongest Weapons of All Time

[Melichoir]

Would just be better (if its strictly for glamour) to wait till they nerf it so hard you can speed grind it in a week.

[JohnSpawnVFX]

From SEs standpoint, they will not hand out a superior weapon to people who just grind compared to those who beat the hardest content in the tier. It would piss off most of the raiders who beat the hardest challenges in favor of rewarding people who could (in theory) afk grind to a better weapon.

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Explain again why a finished relic isn't expected to be equal to raid weapon, please.

[Melichoir]

Currently what is being posted is a 385 comparison to the 405 max. I made comparisons based on that. The current tier raid weapons are still likely to be superior, even with that 1000 substat with specific exceptions (bard being one of them as mentioned in another players post.)

So far, the Relic weapons have been trailing the Raid weapons pretty consistently. So Im personally not exactly in the mind set that theyll reach 405 any time soon (if at all. Past precedence is hit or miss with SE). I could be wrong. However, even if I am, then that results in 1 of 2 situations: The weapons will be introduced right near the end of SB where theyre impact will be incredibly minimized and be seen as nothing more than a nice glamour for people who stuck it out in Eureka, Or theyll be still be averagely inferior because the RNG stat rerolling thing will mean that youre likely hood of having the 'perfect' weapon that makes them flat out superior to Raid weapons will be incredibly small.

Also, if you actually read what I posted, I said theyre not going to hand out superior weapons achieved only through grinding. I said that theyll likely be close to strength in ideal circumstances. Again, I could be wrong, which I am, then groovy. People who stuck with Eureka will have a nice shiny strong weapon...thatll be months late compared to Omega, and probably have a stigma attached to them thanks to how Eureka was handled. Even then, because people have hte omega BIS gear by then, and the nerfs being offered as it were, people wouldnt probably have a hard time getting those weapons with less time and effort than the people who stuck with it.

This doesnt even factor in a thought I had recently. If people are sporting the Omega Weapons, theyll likely be wearing BiS or close to BiS gear for all their slots. For players who only grinded out ilvl 400 Gear through Genesis alone, and arent wearing BiS, the stat differences given by a perfectly rolled weapon may not add up to a person wearing full BiS gear with an Omega Weapon. For those who do both, youll get your most ideal build. But for everyone else, Having the perfect "god weapon" but mediocre armor isnt going to make you get max damage.

In any case, I think the premise offered by the OP of being the undisputed strongest weapons of all time is overblown, BIS or not. Theyll be strong. But not set on it being best thing ever.

[Jib]

They could make the relic one shot any savage boss!! I won’t still step one foot inside of that cancer inducing piece of content named Eureka...

[Aquaslash]

I can't shake the feeling that they're gonna do something Coven level crazy for the final step. They're going all in on Eureka and if the raid weapons will really be obsolete at that point, then they might as well go balls to the wall

[HyoMinPark]

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Explain again why a finished relic isn't expected to be equal to raid weapon, please.

Your error with this post is that the i385 Pyros weapons are not finished relics. Therefore, they aren’t expected to be better than the i405 Omega weapons at this time, even the dreamy +1,000 critical hit Pyros weapon. In that instance, it would only be better than the Omega weapon for very few jobs (e.g., BRD), not for every one. From what I’ve read on Reddit and in the Eureka discord, there’s a 1 in over a million chance for you to actually land +1,000 Crit on a weapon, so either pray you’re very lucky, or get ready to spend a lot of time rerolling.

In the end, I personally don’t find it worth the time. Especially since I’m not that lucky.

[JohnSpawnVFX]

Your error with this post is that the i385 Pyros weapons are not finished relics. Therefore, they aren’t expected to be better than the i405 Omega weapons at this time, even the dreamy +1,000 critical hit Pyros weapon. In that instance, it would only be better than the Omega weapon for very few jobs (e.g., BRD), not for every one. From what I’ve read on Reddit and in the Eureka discord, there’s a 1 in over a million chance for you to actually land +1,000 Crit on a weapon, so either pray you’re very lucky, or get ready to spend a lot of time rerolling.

In the end, I personally don’t find it worth the time. Especially since I’m not that lucky.

I don't disagree at all but it's not my error. People keep talking (at least since Pagos came out) that the relic isn't worth it because "the tome and raid weapons are better" (in terms of ilvl). It's always been the case. Don't know why people keep expecting suddenly for the relic to not be on par with the latest ilvl available, only when raiding season is already pretty much winding down, and most of it's worth is purely glamour along with slightly faster Xpert runs (barely).

Alexander Metal weapons came out on the 27th of September 2016. Anima Lux weapons came only on the 28th of February 2017. That's only probably (Feb 2019) when Eureka Relic will catch up with Omega weapons (ridiculous secondaries aside). And there's no reason at all to expect them not to let them reach 405 ilvl.

[Melichoir]

I think the contention, particularly with the OPs post, is the animos weapons will be the end all be all best weapon and be drastically superior to the raid weapons. Assuming people like me are completely in the wrong about the ilvl of the final step (not to hard to imagine honestly in all due consideration and Ill concede to it being 405 at final step), I still do not see them being vastly superior to the Omega Weapons. Particularly with the RNG element of stat roles. As HyoMinPark point stands - For everyone whos done Omega stuff, the animos weapon seems superfluous, particularly in the face of an expac thatll likely be a few mere months away.

[Ilan]

I just caught wind of how the stats in the i385 weapons work. Apparently, Eureka weapons have a substat limit of 1,000. It can be shared through many stats or lumped all into one stat. You can theoretically have a BRD bow with 500 Crit and 500 Direct Hit. Or a BLM weapon with 200 Critical Hit and 800 Spell Speed.

Unless they make 1,000 the limit and it won't increase after more upgrades, they will easily surpass raid weapons by next upgrade. I hear some already surpass them for some jobs!

Example from Reddit:


That's only 710/1000 substat. So it has more potential. But that's the concept.

Also Reddit:

It only can be the best weapon if you are lucky enough because this is RNG based. Even if you get the awesome weapon stats, the weapon will only be the best weapon shortly before 5.0 will hit, so no one will care at all.

Anyway happy rolling..please look forward to more RNG.

[HyoMinPark]

I don't disagree at all but it's not my error. People keep talking (at least since Pagos came out) that the relic isn't worth it because "the tome and raid weapons are better" (in terms of ilvl). It's always been the case. Don't know why people keep expecting suddenly for the relic to not be on par with the latest ilvl available, only when raiding season is already pretty much winding down, and most of it's worth is purely glamour along with slightly faster Xpert runs (barely).

Alexander Metal weapons came out on the 27th of September 2016. Anima Lux weapons came only on the 28th of February 2017. That's only probably (Feb 2019) when Eureka Relic will catch up with Omega weapons (ridiculous secondaries aside). And there's no reason at all to expect them not to let them reach 405 ilvl.

I don't see people saying these weapons will never reach i405. I see them saying they will not reach i405 at a point where it will matter with regards to things like speedruns and pretty parses. Which was the case with the Anima relic as well. Those who do serious speedruns will already have their pretty logs well before this weapon becomes "the best" - and, if they continue the trend of RNG substats, it will only be "the best" if you get the lucky rolls to make it "the best". An i405 Eureka bow with 700+ anything other than Crit will not trump the Omega weapon, for example.

The disagreement (in this thread, at least), is with regards to the premise that the i385 weapons are suddenly better than the Omega weapons. That would only be true of a job like BRD, because they’re weird. But the vast majority would still take the i405 (or i400 for some, like MCH) because they don’t base their damage off of a substat (much like BRD does) but off of weapon damage and main stat. My personal disagreement is with the statement that they will last until level 80 — they will more than likely be replaced around level 76~77 much like the Anima weapons were, and even if someone did use them until level 80, the entry-level Tomestone gear or the first line of Crafted gear would make them obsolete immediately due to weapon damage and main stat increases.