Are the numbers too high?

[BruceyBruceyBangBang]

The increase is objective.. saying that it "goes a long way" is subjective...
I really can't break it down further than that
I'll try again... just for you
the increase is objective....
How important the increase is... that is SUBJECTIVE
http://www.differencebetween.net/lan...nd-subjective/
There you go chief
regardless of what the stats are... saying "A little goes a long way" is the very definition of subjectivity...
I don't understand why that is even being discussed
I bet you love Michael Moore documentaries as well

As far as keeping up... (cute turn of phrase by the way)
I haven't technically refuted ANYTHING anyone has said here...
In fact... every one of my posts is littered with "This is my opinion" or "I prefer" or "Stats aren't broken... I just would prefer...."

So someone trying to convince me that stats work and aren't broken...
I don't know if that is an issue of "me keeping up"
It's me not having to keep up because you're on a different road...

Thanks though

That's all well and good, but you are describing it as if there are several different directions the increase can go in and that there are other viable alternatives. If a little is all you have than the little of what is most potent goes a long way. Instead of attempting to figure me out and label what outside interests I have --which are perfectly fine interests-- you steer away from what is important.

If you want to keep up in a discussion you should know what you're saying first. If what you have said doesn't make sense, which it doesn't, how about you just say that you never thought about it that way. That's what I would do if I were not making sense.

[Rydin]

If you want to keep up in a discussion you should know what you're saying first. If what you have said doesn't make sense, which it doesn't, how about you just say that you never thought about it that way. That's what I would do if I were not making sense.

I'm not arguing with you... my point is facts are facts.... interpretation and commentary is not...

Example:
"I ate an entire 10oz. steak today... It was frikkin huge"
or
"I ate this little wimpy 10oz steak today"

neither is wrong...
FACT: You ate a 10oz steak
OPINION: it was either huge or wimpy

thats all I'm saying... Im not saying Eldaena was right or wrong... I'm just pointing out that saying "A little goes a long way" is an opinion
If you're saying that is not an opinion then there is no need to discuss it further because we obviously disagree on what is opinion

[Eldaena]

I'm not arguing with you... my point is facts are facts.... interpretation and commentary is not...

Example:
"I ate an entire 10oz. steak today... It was frikkin huge"
or
"I ate this little wimpy 10oz steak today"

neither is wrong...
FACT: You ate a 10oz steak
OPINION: it was either huge or wimpy

thats all I'm saying... Im not saying Eldaena was right or wrong... I'm just pointing out that saying "A little goes a long way" is an opinion
If you're saying that is not an opinion then there is no need to discuss it further because we obviously disagree on what is opinion

It is my opinion on significance of the data, not the data itself. Not everyone finds things as important as me. Rydin was correct that my opinion is subjective, but there really was not any reason to say so, since it should be common knowledge that opinions are such. That being the case, however, there is definitely an effect from stats. That is not subjective. I knew what Rydin was saying, and he was correct that my opinion was an opinion. That doesn't change that I still think that stats have a bigger impact than one may think based on the numbers shown.

[Rydin]

It is my opinion on significance of the data, not the data itself. Not everyone finds things as important as me. Rydin was correct that my opinion is subjective, but there really was not any reason to say so, since it should be common knowledge that opinions are such. That being the case, however, there is definitely an effect from stats. That is not subjective. I knew what Rydin was saying, and he was correct that my opinion was an opinion. That doesn't change that I still think that stats have a bigger impact than one may think based on the numbers shown.

Thats all Im saying.. it wasn't a personal attack...
I agree stats work... It says so in the OP... and you know an OP is sacred...
I just would prefer to see more...
I want to see a well geared CNJ with super awesome gear and materia add up to 50% more HP to their Curas....
thats all... Im not refuting you or your findings...
or a geared doing twice the damage of a naked one
I think all the talk of stats really has diluted the message... and I am to blame for that

[Eldaena]

Thats all Im saying.. it wasn't a personal attack...
I agree stats work... It says so in the OP... and you know an OP is sacred...
I just would prefer to see more...
I want to see a well geared CNJ with super awesome gear and materia add up to 50% more HP to their Curas....
thats all... Im not refuting you or your findings...
or a geared doing twice the damage of a naked one
I think all the talk of stats really has diluted the message... and I am to blame for that

lol I know you're not against what I said, I'm not upset, but don't you think gear making cures 50% more potent seems like too much?

[Rydin]

lol I know you're not against what I said, I'm not upset, but don't you think gear making cures 50% more potent through gear seems like too much?

as opposed to nude... sure... even if it means reducing your base cure

what if Cura healed for 800 nude with a weathered cane

And healed for 1000 fully geared (no materia)....

and healed for 1200 with applicable materia double melded

Im not really asking for us to be stronger... just that we be weaker when nude... and get more boost from gear

[Eldaena]

as opposed to nude... sure... even if it means reducing your base cure

what if Cura healed for 800 nude with a weathered cane

And healed for 1000 fully geared (no materia)....

and healed for 1200 with applicable materia double melded

Im not really asking for us to be stronger... just that we be weaker when nude... and get more boost from gear

In my original post, I mentioned that just because you aren't wearing gear it doesn't mean your character has forgotten combat or suddenly lost levels. It makes sense that a weapon, being an instrument to enhance your power, could greatly effect your end results, but I don't see why gear should be as much. (Don't get me wrong, I still think it should be effective, but balanced as it somewhat seems to be now.) Maybe super legendary gear one day could, though. Gear for the most part, even dungeon gear, is too easy to obtain now to be anymore powerful than it is, I think. Even though it's extremely rare, you can make fairly powerful gear with materia now, though it is difficult. Kind of the legendary gear of our current time, I guess.

If perhaps it was much more difficult to obtain a level 50 class, unlike now, would you still feel the same way about base stats and the effects we currently get with the gear we have?

[BruceyBruceyBangBang]

I'm not arguing with you... my point is facts are facts.... interpretation and commentary is not...

but arguing with you excites me.

[Rydin]

but arguing with you excites me.

I know it does... that's why I sent out a mass Email to all of Kashuan warning them about you

[BruceyBruceyBangBang]

I know it does... that's why I sent out a mass Email to all of Kashuan warning them about you

Who made you the Kashuan voice of reason? Oh and btw, you're too late, I already warned them about me the day it was announced! BOOM! wait -- aww.