Are the numbers too high?

[Eldaena]

I guess if you don't think 200 hp is significant.

[Rydin]

I guess if you don't think 200 hp is significant.

I dont so much mind healing coming from within and not as much from gear....
HOWEVER... don't be fooled... that is less than a 20% increase in Cura for being EXTREMELY well geared
Which is why "A long way" and "Significant" are subjective terms...
Thats not a personal affront to you... it's just the truth
I don't know... call me crazy but I'd like to reward people who go out of their way to be the best...

I appreciate you bringing up the subject and I agree that naked stats are a tad bit too potent, but what does this even mean? This makes absolutely no sense.

Eldaena said raising a little healing potency goes a long way
and that is a subjective statement....
I wasn't being mean... I'm just saying "Goes a long way" could mean something different to someone else.... Hence it is not Objective....

[BruceyBruceyBangBang]

Eldaena said raising a little healing potency goes a long way
and that is a subjective statement....
I wasn't being mean... I'm just saying "Goes a long way" could mean something different to someone else.... Hence it is not Objective....

For right now, I think it's mainly people who know what they are talking about roughly and then you trying to keep up. There is no subjectivity in what Eldaena is saying because an increase in HoT is fact. Two tier III healing potency will be at the very least 20 H.Potency which is an increase of 50HP when casting cura. Since we have facts, it is only objective. There are only two directions you can go with healing potency. Forward in an increase of HoT or backward without it.

Saying it's subjective is saying that they colored the statement in attempt to having us believe that it's going somewhere. Once factually it is going somewhere. We know the increase in HP per 1 healing potency now and also there are not many options that are as potent for increasing HoT in the same meldable slots than healer's hand materia. The further increase would be increasing MND, magical critical potency, and magical critical hit rate. Which don't effect the slots of healers hand. This doesn't require feeling and subjectivity. It just is.

[Rydin]

For right now, I think it's mainly people who know what they are talking about roughly and then you trying to keep up. There is no subjectivity in what Eldaena is saying because an increase in HoT is fact. Two tier III healing potency will be at the very least 20 H.Potency which is an increase of 50HP when casting cura. Since we have facts, it is only objective. There are only two directions you can go with healing potency. Forward in an increase of HoT or backward without it.

Saying it's subjective is saying that they colored the statement in attempt to having us believe that it's going somewhere. Once factually it is going somewhere. We know the increase in HP per 1 healing potency now and also there are not many options that are as potent for increasing HoT in the same meldable slots than healer's hand materia. The further increase would be increasing MND, magical critical potency, and magical critical hit rate. Which don't effect the slots of healers hand. This doesn't require feeling and subjectivity. It just is.

The increase is objective.. saying that it "goes a long way" is subjective...
I really can't break it down further than that
I'll try again... just for you
the increase is objective....
How important the increase is... that is SUBJECTIVE
http://www.differencebetween.net/lan...nd-subjective/
There you go chief
regardless of what the stats are... saying "A little goes a long way" is the very definition of subjectivity...
I don't understand why that is even being discussed
I bet you love Michael Moore documentaries as well

As far as keeping up... (cute turn of phrase by the way)
I haven't technically refuted ANYTHING anyone has said here...
In fact... every one of my posts is littered with "This is my opinion" or "I prefer" or "Stats aren't broken... I just would prefer...."

So someone trying to convince me that stats work and aren't broken...
I don't know if that is an issue of "me keeping up"
It's me not having to keep up because you're on a different road...

Thanks though

[BruceyBruceyBangBang]

The increase is objective.. saying that it "goes a long way" is subjective...
I really can't break it down further than that
I'll try again... just for you
the increase is objective....
How important the increase is... that is SUBJECTIVE
http://www.differencebetween.net/lan...nd-subjective/
There you go chief
regardless of what the stats are... saying "A little goes a long way" is the very definition of subjectivity...
I don't understand why that is even being discussed
I bet you love Michael Moore documentaries as well

As far as keeping up... (cute turn of phrase by the way)
I haven't technically refuted ANYTHING anyone has said here...
In fact... every one of my posts is littered with "This is my opinion" or "I prefer" or "Stats aren't broken... I just would prefer...."

So someone trying to convince me that stats work and aren't broken...
I don't know if that is an issue of "me keeping up"
It's me not having to keep up because you're on a different road...

Thanks though

That's all well and good, but you are describing it as if there are several different directions the increase can go in and that there are other viable alternatives. If a little is all you have than the little of what is most potent goes a long way. Instead of attempting to figure me out and label what outside interests I have --which are perfectly fine interests-- you steer away from what is important.

If you want to keep up in a discussion you should know what you're saying first. If what you have said doesn't make sense, which it doesn't, how about you just say that you never thought about it that way. That's what I would do if I were not making sense.

[Rydin]

If you want to keep up in a discussion you should know what you're saying first. If what you have said doesn't make sense, which it doesn't, how about you just say that you never thought about it that way. That's what I would do if I were not making sense.

I'm not arguing with you... my point is facts are facts.... interpretation and commentary is not...

Example:
"I ate an entire 10oz. steak today... It was frikkin huge"
or
"I ate this little wimpy 10oz steak today"

neither is wrong...
FACT: You ate a 10oz steak
OPINION: it was either huge or wimpy

thats all I'm saying... Im not saying Eldaena was right or wrong... I'm just pointing out that saying "A little goes a long way" is an opinion
If you're saying that is not an opinion then there is no need to discuss it further because we obviously disagree on what is opinion

[Eldaena]

I'm not arguing with you... my point is facts are facts.... interpretation and commentary is not...

Example:
"I ate an entire 10oz. steak today... It was frikkin huge"
or
"I ate this little wimpy 10oz steak today"

neither is wrong...
FACT: You ate a 10oz steak
OPINION: it was either huge or wimpy

thats all I'm saying... Im not saying Eldaena was right or wrong... I'm just pointing out that saying "A little goes a long way" is an opinion
If you're saying that is not an opinion then there is no need to discuss it further because we obviously disagree on what is opinion

It is my opinion on significance of the data, not the data itself. Not everyone finds things as important as me. Rydin was correct that my opinion is subjective, but there really was not any reason to say so, since it should be common knowledge that opinions are such. That being the case, however, there is definitely an effect from stats. That is not subjective. I knew what Rydin was saying, and he was correct that my opinion was an opinion. That doesn't change that I still think that stats have a bigger impact than one may think based on the numbers shown.

[BruceyBruceyBangBang]

I'm not arguing with you... my point is facts are facts.... interpretation and commentary is not...

but arguing with you excites me.

[Mychael]

For right now, I think it's mainly people who know what they are talking about roughly and then you trying to keep up. There is no subjectivity in what Eldaena is saying because an increase in HoT is fact. Two tier III healing potency will be at the very least 20 H.Potency which is an increase of 50HP when casting cura. Since we have facts, it is only objective. There are only two directions you can go with healing potency. Forward in an increase of HoT or backward without it.

Saying it's subjective is saying that they colored the statement in attempt to having us believe that it's going somewhere. Once factually it is going somewhere. We know the increase in HP per 1 healing potency now and also there are not many options that are as potent for increasing HoT in the same meldable slots than healer's hand materia. The further increase would be increasing MND, magical critical potency, and magical critical hit rate. Which don't effect the slots of healers hand. This doesn't require feeling and subjectivity. It just is.

What's "subjective" in my opinion (though I can only speak for myself) is that 50 HP to a cura is "a long way." This isn't XI, the HP:MP ratio of my cures is hardly a concern--unless we're talking a big difference (more than a the difference that 50hp/280mp could make). Then, 50 HP is barely anything in this game. When someone's taking damage fast enough--with no downtime to regen your MP--that you're casting so much to worry about the 1 extra cura you could get in after casting 20+ curas, there's probably another healer involved. ^^; Which probably means that the +50HP on your cura went into an overcure, which only served to pull more emnity toward yourself.

In fact, let's say your CNJ has 3000 MP total, and make it 4000 with Blissful Mind/Shroud of Saints. You could fit in 14 curas. Over the course of your full MP pool plus abilities, you have produced 700 more HP with that +50 HP. Admittedly, that doesn't seem like "a long way" to me.

And then, consider that you're paying 1m for those two Healing Hands III materia, or 700k+ for a single Healing Hands IV. (I haven't checked prices in a long time, hopefully they've gone down...) Is that really worth it?