So, how is Pyros?

[Rufalus]

I think Pyros is quite a good piece of content for many reasons: the leveling experience is relatively fast due to generous NM payouts; it has a variety of nice rewards at different levels of rarity; the logos system is a nice new layer to the gameplay. However this type of content needs a lot of teamwork and that's where I feel the slipping standard of the community is ruining the game. I felt sick today seeing a lot of casual harassment in Pyros chat. It's gotten to the point that people let each other die on purpose and then laugh at the dead people, refuse to resurrect them, call them idiots for dying, call them entitled for asking for a res, etc. That sort of thing is happening all the time now and it has become accepted behavior.

Of course there are pockets of friendly and helpful people in FCs and such, but the general community when you get a lot of people together in one place is very chaotic, disrespectful and hateful, like the darkest corners of the internet. Things have changed a lot since the strong community bonds of FF XI's heyday. At least that's my experience on Chaos datacenter. I still like FF XIV, if I can separate the game part of it from the players who populate it. The way I feel now is maybe I should just filter my chat more and not even read the venom in /shout chat most of the time. There are certain types of content I don't even enter due to the expectation that people will rage, harass, troll or whatever. I have to keep cutting things off or turning a blind eye for this online gaming stuff to still be enjoyable.

[SoleilAlphi]

I haven't seen this kind of toxic behaviour in the hours I've been in Pyros yet... thankfully. Just an hour ago I was on my way to the second lvl 50 quest spot, very, very far away, south from any of the usual paths with 53-55 mobs packed, and I died right next to the destination. I thought I was gonna de-level when two kind souls came and rezzed me T_T that said I might see toxic behaviour tomorrow, I hope not...

I am surprisingly having some measure of fun in Pyros, 100% an improvement from Pagos. Or perhaps Pagos was so bad that anything that could came after would have been fun regardless lol. The worst is that if a player is late to the party and want to try Pyros after hearing that it is ok content, they'll have to slog through the previous worst content. Pagos needs to be brought up to par with Pyros

[Rhus]

I'm glad I'm not the only one thinking people aren't reading as often in pyros. They didn't res as often in pagos compared to anemos either but his is a step down on that even. I lost count how many times a Rdm or whm ran over my body...one was even in my party. Needless to say when they died 20seconds later as I was being ressed ...I left them. Karma.
Fates aren't being pulled early on my dc though...actually they're lasting a good 5mins or so before pulling which shocked me as pagos they were insta pulled and arguments about walkers and salty tears would always follow.
Nobody offering taxi but I think it's down to the mob volume. If you do offer a ride. You're prob going to be stoppping to res every few seconds as you can't really navigate around like anemos and pagos due to the sheer numbers of monsters and they're less segregated into spaces like the other Eureka had them. Too much effort

[hynaku]

Its name implies fire but most land is covered in Ice and snow like Pagos. It's just another Pagos to me.

[Sapphire_Dianta]

I'm kinda hearing mixed things about Pyros which intrigues me, since its predecessor seemed to be universally hated which means that this has to be a step upwards in quality... maybe? Shame, though. As long as Pagos exists and continues being terrible, I will not be able to progress through Eureka.

[Antonio_Xul]

It seems to me the European servers are more toxic than NA servers. I've had a decent time on Aether. I've been raised many times during treks. No rides yet, but then again, I'm with my own level groups. No mounts yet.

[lvlagmarink]

I gotta agree on some points Rufalus wrote there, the chaos data center shout toxicity is getting more and more chaotic in pyros, imo it's even exceeding those in anemos or pagos.. players were whinning upon fate being pulled too soon because they were doing bunny fates which pops more regularly than NM fates, despite them doing nothing but afk when there are no active fates on the map.

And when they come upon the fate itself, they will bring nothing but more flocks of stray enemies to the NM so any other players will get tagged by the aggro instead of them being considerate and die on the sides so the mobs will get reset.. now I'm mostly playing tank and i tried to kill these stray mobs by myself because getting gold credit is easy enough as a tank even in solo.. but they barely even help killing these stray mobs they brought upon us and would prefer to get to the safe place, afk and move to other fate once they pop up..

Bunny fates giving exp may have been a mistake in this case, but who am I to say if the norms are those inconsiderate toxic players, i'm all against the odd here..

As for raising players, I often tend to choose who to raise these days around based on their shout, if not i'll just ignore them and they can hate me or whatever, i won't care

On a side note, there may be some players who actually play healers on pyros but dont actually want to heal because they fear of getting aggro.. i begin to meet healers in my past parties who actually will not heal or raise anybody despite we were trying to spawn NM.. they only cast their dps spell and heal themself.. on one ocassion, I actually experienced a healer who kept casting stone IV while some RDMs and other jobs were casting vercure and cure L actions on me in trying to spawn the level 50 NM..

[Ilyrian]

On a side note, there may be some players who actually play healers on pyros but dont actually want to heal because they fear of getting aggro.. i begin to meet healers in my past parties who actually will not heal or raise anybody despite we were trying to spawn NM.. they only cast their dps spell and heal themself.. on one ocassion, I actually experienced a healer who kept casting stone IV while some RDMs and other jobs were casting vercure and cure L actions on me in trying to spawn the level 50 NM..

Well you're talking about different issues.
Healing your party during a NM is basically a death sentence if a) your party are hitting the adds that b) muppets have dragged into combat with them.
If you have a decent group and people are generally clued up, it is OK to heal - but ultimately resing is much better overall as most high-end mobs are one shot kills anyway.

The issue you had with your healer (in your group?): just sounds like they were a baddie.

[lvlagmarink]

Well you're talking about different issues.
Healing your party during a NM is basically a death sentence if a) your party are hitting the adds that b) muppets have dragged into combat with them.
If you have a decent group and people are generally clued up, it is OK to heal - but ultimately resing is much better overall as most high-end mobs are one shot kills anyway.

The issue you had with your healer (in your group?): just sounds like they were a baddie.

You probably misunderstand here.

What I said was "... we were trying to spawn NM..." as in we were killing the val bloodgliders to spawn the level 50 Penthesilea NM, there were two tanks in our party and both died from Val Bloodgliders auto attack because the healer was just spamming stone IV. I wouldn't personally know what these healers motives behind not healing at all, hence why i'm just assuming things, but at the very least even the worst baddies healers i have found in dungeons would at least try to heal or raise the party.. this specific healer i mentioned of (the worst kind of eureka healer i've encountered) wouldnt even cast protect even after being asked..

And I'm saying this as a comparison of what I experienced in all three of eurekas because I'm soloing a lot as a warrior. Even when I was tanking The NMs in anemos and pagos, healers who werent actually in a party with me would ocassionally heal me.. but this kind of thing is very rare to happen in Pyros..

[CorbinDallas]

Well you're talking about different issues.
Healing your party during a NM is basically a death sentence if a) your party are hitting the adds that b) muppets have dragged into combat with them.
If you have a decent group and people are generally clued up, it is OK to heal - but ultimately resing is much better overall as most high-end mobs are one shot kills anyway.

The issue you had with your healer (in your group?): just sounds like they were a baddie.

This is too relatable. I gave up healing or using any aoe during fates because most people who are there don't have a clue how to ignore and/or de-aggro extra mobs that are pulled in. What pisses me off more are the people who intentionally pull their adds into the thick of the action to get rid of the aggro, which just causes issues for everyone else. Just let them kill you and be raised.