So, how is Pyros?

[DRKoftheAzure]

You need a total of 650 Pyros crystals for upgrading elemental weapon into Pyros weapon, which not a lot of drop from NMs if they spawn, and it's the only way to get these crystals, same with Pagos and Anemos crystals.

However, Anemos Crystals had more uses and were required to complete armor AND weapon set for your job that you wanted to get geared up for, and could be converted into protean crystals and NMs gave Anemos crystals like it was candy, and you also need to kill Pazuzu once.

Pagos crystals that were required for elemental weapon is 500 and far as how many dropped for how unfun Pagos was at the start until people learned that it was better to do challenge log in Anemos to actually do Pagos grind at lvl 25, that was fine although, need to kill Louhi 3 times was a bit too much, and same goes for the light farming...

Pyros has no excuse whatsoever for the absurdly low amount crystals that drop from NMs, especially since there is no there is no other way to get these items, Pagos wasn't as bad because you didn't need that additional 150(200+ if you farmed Louhi 5 times along with whatever NMs you doing for light farming) and people have already found the most optimal way for grinding out the random stats for their Pyros weapons, except for those that are so far behind because of Pagos not being fun and are expecting for NM trains to be a thing in Pyros. And that's not even factoring in how dumb NM spawn rates are and the conditions...


So overall Pagos needs light farming to be easier, and Pyros NMs need to give more crystals..

[Arkdra]

Pyros is abysmal, just like the rest of Eureka. Better than Pagos, worse than Anemos, all of it worse than a lot of shit f2p games.

[Vrankyl]

The weather requirement for NMs in Pyros is becoming old. Way too often I get home from work and heatwaves aren't going to be up again for 3-4 hours and I just need a single Penny kill to finish off the last step before light on my weapon. And the times heatwaves are up? Convincing people to leave the bunnies alone to prep her just never seems to happen.

[Liam_Harper]

The weather requirement for NMs in Pyros is becoming old. Way too often I get home from work and heatwaves aren't going to be up again for 3-4 hours and I just need a single Penny kill to finish off the last step before light on my weapon. And the times heatwaves are up? Convincing people to leave the bunnies alone to prep her just never seems to happen.

Same here. There was nearly a 6 hour gap before the next heatwave when I was on last night and todays two heatwaves have passed without any proper groups trying to spawn it. I guess once people get their relic, there's no reason to dedicate time to Pen, they have light grinds, heatbox grinds, bunnies and the 6th magicite to farm for endlessly.
I was also in an instance recently that pre-farmed Skoll for one hour, then went through 4 Blizzard windows and failed to spawn it.

Apart from that, Pyros is better than Pagos, but not without flaws.

-Bunny chest rng needs to be toned down a lot.
-Everyone in the fate should get a bunny.
-The light grind should be unlocked in advance.
-Logos acquisition needs a lot of work, the gold bunny/sprite issue is ridiculous.
-Weather based NM spawn requirements need to be lowered.
-Weapon stat rng re-rolls just needs to go entirely.
-Level sync really needs to be a thing, particularly in Anemos/Pagos too.
-The Pagos light grind needs a nerf. It's roadblocking players from persuing multiple Pyros relics.

Apart from that, I've actually been enjoying it. But the minor annoyances and blocks really do affect the experience.

[XiXiQ]

I like the concept, but the reality is sadly lacking. It's impossible to get into a party, I've tried multiple PFs and not a single person joined. The ONLY thing to do is go in and hope some fates spawn, but I'm increasingly hanging about for 90mins-2 hours for a whole 3 or 4 fates. That's a complete waste of any logograms you use when inside. Can't get a party inside either, despite shouting. The heatwarped lockboxes are unobtainable solo, despite the fact they are the only way to get specific logograms without spending a fortune on them. So with the dirth of fates and no party possible, I eventually got the 2 light bars and rolled once. det + 65. Well whoopee for me, can wait to do that again. NOT. I've decided to leave it for now, wouldn't be surprised if all the grind here will end up pointless (like the grind for the "relic armour" in amemos did).

[Moomba33]

The weather requirement for NMs in Pyros is becoming old. Way too often I get home from work and heatwaves aren't going to be up again for 3-4 hours and I just need a single Penny kill to finish off the last step before light on my weapon. And the times heatwaves are up? Convincing people to leave the bunnies alone to prep her just never seems to happen.

I'm not at that stage yet but in all the time I've spent in Pyros soloing Challenge Logs I've only seen one serious attempt at spawning her. Two heatwaves and they still failed.

[Hyperia]

After spending a few weeks in Pyros, I can safely say that Eureka is very enjoyable again. They struck the right balance of grinding, rewards and risks in this part. It still sad though, because Pagos is still standing there like a wall. I climbed over that wall through sheer willpower, it wasn't fun but I made it over the wall that was Pagos.

Eureka went from being a lot of fun in Anemos to the misery of Pagos only to step into the light of Pyros. I believe Pagos needs more nerfs to get people into the final parts of Eureka. I have family and friends that are still unwilling to enter Eureka because of the shadows that Pagos cast, even though Pyros is much better.

Eureka desperately needs a level sync function where I can sync down to the level of my family and friends to help them catch up. The train in Anemos and Pyros can get around the lack of sync but Pagos... sigh... I know they are worried about rewards being abused by a sync and I understand that.

So how about this... give us a level sync system so we can help lower level players level up and the synced players will forgo any reward in exchange. I will willingly give up all rewards to help my family and friends level up, my reward is having my family and friends caught up with me.

[Vahlnir]

After spending a few weeks in Pyros, I can safely say that Eureka is very enjoyable again. They struck the right balance of grinding, rewards and risks in this part. It still sad though, because Pagos is still standing there like a wall. I clamed over that wall through sheer willpower, it wasn't fun but I made it over the wall that was Pagos.

I started the Pagos grind a few days ago. It has definitely been a rough grind, but I've got about half the crystals I need and light is easy to farm via NMs so I get to kill 2 birds with one stone. I'm almost to lvl 34, and man...navigating that map is hell. Complete and total hell. I'm glad that the 32 Aetheryte is located next to the higher end spawns, that's for dang sure. I can't say it has been a hard grind, just super tedious. I don't envy those who came before or those who will come after I'm out of there. Pyros has been the one thing keeping me going, knowing it gets better.

[Cidel]

Held-off on giving much of any Pyros feedback until I "finished" the Pyros relic step and been in there long enough to see the zone for the timesink trap it is. I've seen some (very few) people claim Pyros is worse than Pagos and I scoff at that notion. I also don't consider Pyros any worse than Anemos; Anemos was literally delegated to only being a glorified lobby of waiting around for the next NM to spawn unless you were one of the few bored souls not afk'ing and actively killing mobs ad nauseam. Anyway, here's my opinion/review/take on Pyros, I'll probably repeat points brought-up in this thread:


1) So you guys only like NMs eh? Here, do them until you're sick of them!
Somewhere between Anemos and Pagos (probably Pagos) the devs finally accepted the fact that NMs are pretty much the only thing players bother doing (like there's much of any alternative) as most players drop everything to get to a newly-spawned one. Whether they're mind-numbingly grinding trash mobs in the same spot for over an hour hoping to get a bar or two of light or more than a handful of heat/cold boxes or just doing something else less-boring and leaving their character afk at the main aetheryte with the map open, NMs are the lifeblood of this content; and why wouldn't they? They're FATEs. We have been conditioned to love and accept their prized FATE-system. The more we do them the more successful they seem.
But now players are practically forced to chase them around constantly so long as you're interested in upgrading relics.

As mentioned, you need 650 NM-tokens oops, Pyros crystals to get your relic to a step where you can even start putting stats on it and get that weapon-smothering glow. Trouble is, the NMs literally drip-feed you these crystals per kill. It says something when the Pazuzu/Louhi-level NM of the zone only gives you like 20 crystals per kill (and she hardly spawns compared to most others). Good thing all the NMs spawn quickly and aren't tied to highly-specific windows that could be hours apart. Oh, wait.

It never felt like collecting the crystals in Anemos and Pagos were prohibitive to progressing with my relics (I'm fairly sure you needed less and got more from NM kills). In Pyros, I hit level cap and made nearly every NM kill that was spawned in the process, but I was still short like 100 crystals. So there I was at level cap, and unable to start suffering through the light-farming step because now the new Eureka crystals are the designated gate of progressing relics.

2) We made Bunnies in Pagos! STOP IGNORING OUR BUNNIES! Take this-!
Not interested in glamour/cards/prohibitively-RNG-based-eyes-for-a-icecream-cone hat/whatever was in those chests from the hot/cold treasure maps Pagos bunnies? Yeah, seemed like most of the Pagos zone wasn't either. That's why most of the zone ignored those "Elemental conflicts" and just waited for "real" NMs to pop.

But we would suffer for our crimes. Most players weren't bothering with this layer of RNG for Eureka, so the only logical solution would be to make players see the fun in zerg-rushing NM-lite mobs and hoping that RNG actually gives them a bunny. And that bunny would lead them to a not-bronze chest. And that not-bronze chest would contain something they actually needed. How do you make players want to do this fun and exciting facet of Eureka? Why, by locking the new mount, hair, glamour and yes, even the ability to obtain "endgame" (lol) gear behind it; basically almost everything not-relic-related that comes from Pyros. Now, way more people in the zone are doing bunny FATEs- The content is a success now and everybody loves it! *Insert pun about dangling a carrot*

3) Pace Yourselves. Land of the R-N-Gee!
I think a lot of us understand that content needs some elements of RNG to have some degree of longevity. But by golly, Pyros must have needed all the help it could get because they slathered RNG on pretty much everything. You want an updated relic with decent-to-great stats? RNG. You want a silver/gold chest for the new shinies from Pyros? RNG. You want a bunny in an active zone to actually have a chance at those silver/gold chests? RNG. You looking for the items needed to add an extra Magia Board slot? Cassie-earrings-level RNG. What will your logograms be appraised as? RNG. Does your monster mutate/adapt? RNG. Did that killed mob give you light? RNG. It sure would be a shame if most of the rewards from tolerating all this RNG didn't have comparable ilvls to tomestone gear or lacked longevity before something better comes along.

4) It is more interesting than Pagos/Anemos.
It's more interesting. Not more fun (though even that doesn't say much). In my opinion, Pyros is what Anemos should have been, or at the very least what Pagos should have been. And I don't mean the things like 650-slow-to-collect crystals for relic or grinding mobs because relic light is drip-fed to players; I mean logos actions, the bunnies, everything. While logos actions are largely irrelevant outside of unlocking permission to start on the relic and meh-gear, they do provided options for much needed survivability to most jobs and utilities like any-job raising and movement speed/DPS increases. They're free to add these slightly "game-breaking" traits and abilities here because everything here seems like one giant test-study and largely irrelevant in the grand scheme of things since it's isolated content. It's enough to give a small sense of potential for Eureka, but not enough to "save it" from it's drawbacks. The devs said these logos actions will be more important in the next additions. I am uneasy.

5) Final thoughts/misc.
Okay, for the many drawbacks I could find in Pyros, the devs did take some very selective "helpful" feedback about Anemos and Pagos. For one, the bunny FATEs give exp now... Which is nice at first before they eventually turn into like a two-centimeter difference on your exp gauge and you realize actual NMs are still the best. Honestly, I'm surprised bunny FATEs don't give some light yet.

The aetherytes are obviously more accessible and available in Pyros than in Pagos, which is a big help. However the devs still feel like players need to hit level cap as a rite to passage to be able to not die to whatever aggros you and trivialize most of that by just outrunning it on a mount. As much as I know people complain about it, being able to avoid aggro in sections just by toggling-off run is also better than being stuck because a cluster of mobs won't all turn around.

tldr:
1) NM-chasing is now a requirement and forced to do in large amounts to progress relic.
2) We ignored Bunnies too much in Pagos. So they forced it to be relevant for most rewards besides relic in some form, which creates a problem of-
3) RNG. The overuse of RNG speaks volumes about how shallow this zone is.
4) The logos system adds "more to do" and makes it slightly more interesting than the previous 2 zones.
5) The map/aetherytes/Bunny rewards are a slight improvement.

Again, I think Pyros is an improvement, but the devs have once again taken steps backwards in other areas of this Eureka zone. Most notably RNG, which has become such a crutch to hold people within this content that it's not even an issue about people being done with the zone within a week, but whether or not they'll even be ready to move-on by the next patch/Eureka zone. Unless you absolutely must-have the hairstyle or the hairy orange yeti as a mount (and can't buy them off the MB), nothing in this zone is worth the RNG-imposed time-gates they imposed on them.

[Hyperia]

Again, I think Pyros is an improvement, but the devs have once again taken steps backwards in other areas of this Eureka zone. Most notably RNG, which has become such a crutch to hold people within this content that it's not even an issue about people being done with the zone within a week, but whether or not they'll even be ready to move-on by the next patch/Eureka zone. Unless you absolutely must-have the hairstyle or the hairy orange yeti as a mount (and can't buy them off the MB), nothing in this zone is worth the RNG-imposed time-gates they imposed on them.

One thing I am very happy about is that you can use the market board to get around some really bad luck on the RNG side. Just cant get that one crystal to drop? Well, go buy it, well, buy a few and hope the final RNG lets you have the logos action you need. But still, placing things on the MB does help out a lot. I bought that one crystal that just wouldn't drop for me and I can help my friend with the crystals they need to finish their relic. Being able to help with their relic this way really makes me feel good. Any crystals that they don't need nor I, I sell on the MB for a profit. I am not worrying about saving crystals for the water zone because there probably going to shower us with them when we get there.

My relic is done and I'm still in Pyros having fun, helping a friend and grinding crystals to pay for my raiding supplies. If only I could skip the Pagos relic step for my other weapons.