Thread: Would you raid if there was no ilvl?

Probably less frequently, because it can be hard enough to do content with randoms even if they're adequately geared for it.

I do think they need to have more unique rewards scattered throughout content. IE, I don't think would hurt to have minions drop from certain S rank hunts and such.

It's not the ilvl that's barring me from attempting to raid but rather a lack of time or desire. Lowering the ilvl wouldn't increase my desire a single iota, and like KageTokage it might actually negatively impact my desire to do midcore content. Because lemme tell you, setting a minimal ilvl barrier of entry is often a good way of keeping people who simply want to be carrier out of the party. Not /perfectly/ but the parties I've been in that required 5+ ilvls on the minimum tended to be a lot smoother for what is likely a variety of reasons and it rarely had to do with the better damage.

I would however like more things to earn from doing content, as it would likely solve the issue of desire if not the time. Having more reason to do the content never hurts.

To me, it's not the iLevel that keeps me away from raiding, but the raiders themselves, plus I don't have time to schedule my play time. I play when I want, not when others want. I have the patience to learn, but not the patience for rude jackasses who get angry at every little mistake in learning parties. It's called a learning party for a reason. Some people learn fast, others don't. I have patience for those still learning, even the slow ones.

Originally Posted by MuseTraveller

Out of curiosity after a discussion with a friend, if there was no ilvl barring you from entering any current end game content - extreme trial or savage, would you be attempting it more frequently, less frequently or not at all and why?


If the rewards were mounts, titles, minions, gear with different status or tokens you could exchange for other gear of same ilvl would you still try to push such content?

Gotta agree with KageTokage on this one—it’s already difficult enough to PUG some of the more involved content (Extremes, Savage) with people that actually do have the gear, and who don’t understand what a basic rotation or opener is; I’d be less inclined to join content where an item level is not enforced. Because who knows what kind of gear they would show up in then. I was once in a Suzaku Ex party where a minimum item level wasn’t set (or it may have been set at the minimum item level required), but we had a tank show up with an i290 Antiquated axe. He was doing about 1,200 DPS. Couldn’t hold aggro after the swaps either.

I’m sure you’ve seen the complaints in the Tales of the Duty Finder thread of tanks and healers showing up in leveling dungeons with weapons/gear from last expansion (or even from ARR). I would not deal with that in content where your damage and performance actually matters. I actually advocate for leveling dungeons to enforce a minimum item level because I’m tired of seeing players in Bardam’s Mettle or Doma Castle in i230/i240 gear (or even worse). Because they just make it harder on the rest of the party, especially if they’re in a tank or healer role and struggle to hold hate or keep people alive.


If there was something that had mounts, titles, minions, or gear that I wanted in it, I’d find friends or a static to run the content with instead of randoms who may be wearing a box-of-chocolates gear set because the game doesn’t try to gate them out of it. Gear doesn’t make a player; as I said above, you can have players in high item-level gear that do less than a tank or healer in terms of damage—but to risk these same people just showing up in worse gear? The thought alone has me cringing.

Originally Posted by Antonio_Xul

To me, it's not the iLevel that keeps me away from raiding, but the raiders themselves, plus I don't have time to schedule my play time. I play when I want, not when others want. I have the patience to learn, but not the patience for rude jackasses who get angry at every little mistake in learning parties. It's called a learning party for a reason. Some people learn fast, others don't. I have patience for those still learning, even the slow ones.

Definitely this. I'd like to try the savage raids but whenever I do try, there's always one or two people who will rudely point out mistakes and begin yelling at everyone then after the second wipe, they'll leave then everyone else will follow and I'm back at square one after accomplishing nothing. I haven't even touched any of the newer savage content yet because my friend and I don't want to deal with elitists who expect everything to be perfect on the first run even if it's a learning party. I'm all for having my mistakes pointed out but there's a right way and a wrong way about it.