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    Quote Originally Posted by JunseiKei View Post
    Last I had heard, the really popular hunt tracker (required you to be within a certain distance of an A rank before telling you where it was - anyone also using the client would also receive this information; S ranks were echoed as soon as they spawned if you were on the map) simply doesn't work anymore. It's been years since it was last updated - the person who worked on it now works for Discord and can't update both. The other tracker (far less popular) allowed you to see barely ahead of where you could see in game. It also couldn't tell the difference between a chocobo named after a hunt and the actual hunt.
    The former tracker seems to have been revived by someone because certain individuals on Cactaur regularly call the locations of S ranks the instant they spawn even if they're nowhere near the thing and I'm only the one present at the hunt (Which rules out the possibility of it being relayed to them from someone else).

    In the grand scheme of things, it doesn't accomplish anything other then allowing unscrupulous hunters quicker access to the locations of hunts. We try to round up people who are actively involved in spawning hunts prior to opening the floodgates and letting everyone else know about them because it seems only fair, but this is throwing a wrench in that idea.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KageTokage View Post
    The former tracker seems to have been revived by someone because certain individuals on Cactaur regularly call the locations of S ranks the instant they spawn even if they're nowhere near the thing and I'm only the one present at the hunt (Which rules out the possibility of it being relayed to them from someone else).

    In the grand scheme of things, it doesn't accomplish anything other then allowing unscrupulous hunters quicker access to the locations of hunts. We try to round up people who are actively involved in spawning hunts prior to opening the floodgates and letting everyone else know about them because it seems only fair, but this is throwing a wrench in that idea.
    It wasn't resurrected, but I found there is another one that functions similarly to it. However, people posted that it brings up a virus prompt, so I assumed it was just a front to just get players' information. Apparently, it does work. Reading about on it, it still functions exactly like the other - needs to be within a certain distance of the A rank and within the same map as the S rank (you can spot a lot of the S ranks from quite a huge distance away) and anyone with the client also gets these notifications. So, that stinks.

    Unless they state, or otherwise hint, they are using a third party application within the game, there's no way to report players and have disciplinary action taken against them.
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    9.23.2019 [11:15 p.m.]Total Play Time: 1552 days, 0 hours, 0 minutes - You'll be hard-pressed to find a more cynical person than me.
    Quote Originally Posted by Odstarva View Post
    You people are never happy.
    [...] You complain and complain and complain.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JunseiKei View Post
    It wasn't resurrected, but I found there is another one that functions similarly to it. However, people posted that it brings up a virus prompt, so I assumed it was just a front to just get players' information. Apparently, it does work. Reading about on it, it still functions exactly like the other - needs to be within a certain distance of the A rank and within the same map as the S rank (you can spot a lot of the S ranks from quite a huge distance away) and anyone with the client also gets these notifications. So, that stinks.

    Unless they state, or otherwise hint, they are using a third party application within the game, there's no way to report players and have disciplinary action taken against them.
    The program you're all talking about basically works like a Hunt LS:

    When one person with it gets in range of a Hunt, it sends a message to everyone saying what and where. The only difference I've seen is that the detection range is bigger than render distance, which is ultimately not that big of a deal.

    A Hunt tracker program isn't the problem. The problem is jerk players. Just like parsers and everything else.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dragonseth07 View Post
    The program you're all talking about basically works like a Hunt LS:

    When one person with it gets in range of a Hunt, it sends a message to everyone saying what and where. The only difference I've seen is that the detection range is bigger than render distance, which is ultimately not that big of a deal.
    I'm aware.

    Quote Originally Posted by dragonseth07 View Post
    A Hunt tracker program isn't the problem. The problem is jerk players. Just like parsers and everything else.
    Well, that's starting to become an opinion on the use of third party programs and the willful cherry-picking of rules to be followed and rules to be ignored. We all know third party programs are against the ToS, so by default, as well as parsers, they are against the rules. That's a whole other discussion on its own. Vicariously, there's nothing against the rules about people coming over and pulling an open world monster as soon as they see it, but people want to continue to report it like it is an infraction of the ToS. That's not even getting into perspectives of "do I value another person's time over my own" and other nit-picking opinions that conflict with social unwritten rules.
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    Last edited by JunseiKei; 11-04-2018 at 06:01 PM. Reason: Grammar stuff.
    9.23.2019 [11:15 p.m.]Total Play Time: 1552 days, 0 hours, 0 minutes - You'll be hard-pressed to find a more cynical person than me.
    Quote Originally Posted by Odstarva View Post
    You people are never happy.
    [...] You complain and complain and complain.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KageTokage View Post
    If a comparably large game like WoW can keep their botting/cheating issues under control for the most part, I fail to see why XIV can't.

    Also, the sniffer app leaks information on more then just S rank locations and is used more extensively then you might think.
    That's a completely different scenario. Bots aren't much of an issue (not non-existent, mind you) because the WoW token exists, whether people want to hear it or not the token takes away customers from chinese gold sellers since people would rather do it through a sanctioned and safe system. Something like these hunt programs in WoW would likely be considered an addon, so it would fall out of the scope of cheating. A lot of the addons in WoW would be considered unfair advantage here if done through a third party app.

    Quote Originally Posted by KageTokage View Post
    The former tracker seems to have been revived by someone because certain individuals on Cactaur regularly call the locations of S ranks the instant they spawn even if they're nowhere near the thing and I'm only the one present at the hunt (Which rules out the possibility of it being relayed to them from someone else).

    In the grand scheme of things, it doesn't accomplish anything other then allowing unscrupulous hunters quicker access to the locations of hunts. We try to round up people who are actively involved in spawning hunts prior to opening the floodgates and letting everyone else know about them because it seems only fair, but this is throwing a wrench in that idea.
    Note that even the parser people here use has a plugin for hunting, as well as voiced hunt callouts.

    Quote Originally Posted by JunseiKei View Post
    It wasn't resurrected, but I found there is another one that functions similarly to it. However, people posted that it brings up a virus prompt, so I assumed it was just a front to just get players' information. Apparently, it does work. Reading about on it, it still functions exactly like the other - needs to be within a certain distance of the A rank and within the same map as the S rank (you can spot a lot of the S ranks from quite a huge distance away) and anyone with the client also gets these notifications. So, that stinks.

    Unless they state, or otherwise hint, they are using a third party application within the game, there's no way to report players and have disciplinary action taken against them.
    I was reading a bit about the new one and it seems like the project is open source. Whether people verified it to make sure it's not stealing data is another thing.
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