More Waste

[RyoXander]

I feel like item levels are kind of pointless, to an extent. In my opinion, the time to introduce item levels to a game is after the developers feel that the final player level cap has been reached. In most cases that's 99 or 100 and then build upon that with item levels.

Implementing the ilvl system beforehand just creates a ton of waste. It's obviously too late now but meh, it is what it is.

[Lumis_Arvalo]

I know you can obtain the Scaevan Magitek weapons via Savage Alphascape but it's now finally week 7 in which you can get them with Genesis and you're already releasing new content that will dwarf the weapon (Eureka).

Nevermind the fact that no one knows what the process for obtaining the new Pyros weapon will be beyond "Do Anemos and Do Pagos", there's a high chance that the Pyros weapon is going to be i385 at it's max upgrade during this leg of Eureka, as Anemos was i355 when the ilevel of those tomestone weapons was i360, and I HIGHLY doubt they will increase the power level to i400 (the same as the upgraded Tomestone weapons) out of the gate of 4.45 when there's at least one more leg of Eureka coming down the pipeline. There would be nowhere else to take the weapons except maybe i405 during 4.5, and we know how much SE loves the little intermittent upgrades between relic weapons.

Additionally, I would not say that "dwarfs" them if the WD is even 1 point higher, as WD is basically the primary determination of what weapons are better than others in 99% of cases.

I never once say i want them to make this XI

Good, because people need to stop trying to jam FFXI ideas into this game. This is not FFXI, and people demanding it be more like FFXI need to stop playing this and go play FFXI. I agree more horizontal progression would be nice but the core character power treadmill of this game doesn't need to change (tomestone gear, raid gear, etc.), it just needs to be added to.

[Zumi]

Also those weapons were obtainable week 3 of the patch if you beat o10s. Odds are relics won't be better because they always start off at a lower then whats available in the raid ilvl then in later patches are brought up.

[Duskane]

well at least this gear will last you till next expansion
and guarantee they will do the same they did near end of HW
double tome cap
a side quest to give you good accessories aka the proto ultima quest

they do have to spice up the same gear treadmill they have been doing for ages

[Maero]

Do you know for a fact Eureka will be a better weapon? I do not think that will be the case, Relic has been useless so far in SB.
I could see points however, it takes like 7 weeks for the tome weapon then it for sure feels like it gets replaced with something better weeks after

[azura84]

Do you know for a fact Eureka will be a better weapon? I do not think that will be the case, Relic has been useless so far in SB.
I could see points however, it takes like 7 weeks for the tome weapon then it for sure feels like it gets replaced with something better weeks after

If it is within 15 ilvl's and has 5 open sockets for materia then yeah i'm almost certain it will be and the i355 relic wasn't useless if you melded it, it was better than a lot of equipment up to savage sigma gear.

[HyoMinPark]

If it is within 15 ilvl's and has 5 open sockets for materia then yeah i'm almost certain it will be and the i355 relic wasn't useless if you melded it, it was better than a lot of equipment up to savage sigma gear.

If the Pyros weapon is i385, pentamelds may not beat the i390 because of the +1 weapon damage the tome weapon gives you, and it won’t be the i400.

It would really depend on the stats on the weapon, I think. For example, if your MCH Pyros weapon ended up with Skill Speed on it, it will not be better than the i390 Genesis weapon because Skill Speed is not good for MCH. Even with 5 VI melds. Same for NIN.

[azura84]

yeah that's what i mean, it will be BiS for some jobs and not for others, but I think it will be BiS for the majority of them.

[HyoMinPark]

yeah that's what i mean, it will be BiS for some jobs and not for others, but I think it will be BiS for the majority of them.

Pseudo-BiS. Actual BiS is the Omega Weapon save for a couple jobs that use the i400 Genesis—though both MCH and AST do have BiS sets with the Omega weapon and not Tome. I think WHM does as well.

[thativyguy]

How game changing is it to have savage gear? Because so far, I haven't felt like any gear upgrade was that meaningful. Maybe gear just doesn't matter as much in this game. Which would mean the main reward for clearing content is just clearing the content. So it doesn't matter how long the gear is relevant for.