Trying to understand the negative posts I keep seeing about the Dev Team

[MicahZerrshia]

I'm not dismissing what you say.....it's just I'm a bit of a newbie since I joined in June of this year

There in lies why you do not see the problems. This game is great and fantastic for new players. Its veteran retention that is the problem. Once you are around for awhile you will begin to see the pattern and realize you are just doing the same thing now you've done for every patch, just with a different skin.

SE needs to innovate and stop letting content fall by the wayside. Their lack of communication is one thing, but their lack of creativity and how they design nothing to last more than 3 months is a whole other. They need to start designing for the long term player instead of the new ones. They are always bragging about how hard core of gamers they are but I personally do not believe them in the slightest since they are making mistakes no actual gamer would make in game design. And it all goes back to Yoshida, which is why I place everything on his shoulders and why I think they should find someone new to take over. Because unless his hands are tied by someone higher up, he is not making choices that are good for the life of this game in the long run. He did a phenomenal job rebooting the game. But it's been a series of bad choices since.

Also lets have an expansion that is its own thing. I have said it before and I will say it again, we have literally been dealing with Ascians and Garlemald since v1 and its getting sooo boring. No matter whats going on we know that is somehow leads back to Ascians and the Empire. /snore I am so ready to move on.

[MetalSnakeXI1]

There in lies why you do not see the problems. This game is great and fantastic for new players. Its veteran retention that is the problem. Once you are around for awhile you will begin to see the pattern and realize you are just doing the same thing now you've done for every patch, just with a different skin.

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While I'm indeed a fledgling player that doesn't make me blind to problems even if they don't affect me the same way others do

Besides,are you implying that the opinion of newcomers is somehow less valid than that of a veteran?Cuz theirs are just as important as veterans cuz if new players are looked down upon here then that's gonna make the community very stale and stagnant.You can't just cater to just the current players and ignore everything the newcomers say.

And just to reflect on some of the points some said before where some people say feedbacks can only be negative.....that's not how critcism works

Cuz criticism involves stating what worked alongside what didn't work not just an abundant influx of the latter.Otherwise it goes from constructive criticism into toxicity that pushes people away

As for things feeling formulaic......that's literally every long running game out there and it's not just something that happens only in XIV,WoW or any other MMOs,it happens all the time and it's felt more when people play one game only for an extensive amount of time especially since RPGs,MMOs or not,are a grind-heavy genre by nature

I'm not gonna go any further into this topic since there are stuff I'm not yet qualified to talk about but let me say this

I might be a very vanilla boring gamer who rarely involves himself in the "meta" of any game(the only meta I involved myself in was for competitive Pokemon and that's it) as I usually play the games I have to have fun and unwind from the daily stress of my job and my MA degree studies in college,but that doesn't mean my and other casual people's opinions are worthless just because we're "filthy casuals" in the eye of some people

I do see the problems and I acknowledge their existence even if I'm passive about it,it's just I'm not in the mental state that allows me to complain as much as I used to be since I started struggling with chronic depression last year.Not saying that those who complains are wrong,it's just I only agree with a few and I'm just not in the mood for it be it for XIV or other things.

Personally if I get burned out on XIV,I'll do the same thing I did with other games,take a break and play something else then maybe come back later.There is nothing wrong with putting the game down for a couple of days,weeks or even months if I need to cuz that in itself sends a message even if it isn't as obvious as posting on forums and social media.

Finally,this is gonna be my last post on the Lodestone forums for a while.I don't think I'm contributing much here considering the environment and even when I do it usually ends up being very meaningless or making people mad at me....and I learned that the hard way from my last thread about Zenos since it seems like saying anything good about Stormblood is a big no-no

[HyoMinPark]

Finally,this is gonna be my last post on the Lodestone forums for a while.I don't think I'm contributing much here considering the environment and even when I do it usually ends up being very meaningless or making people mad at me....and I learned that the hard way from my last thread about Zenos since it seems like saying anything good about Stormblood is a big no-no

I don’t think that you should not post on the forums due to receiving some backlash — I can’t specifically speak on it because I haven’t read your thread on Zenos, but I don’t think it’s a crime to try and find positives about Stormblood. While I feel like the expansion is a reskinned Heavensward, and I do have my own series of complaints about it, I do offer praise about some of the things it has introduced: Ultimate was amazing, I really love Alphascape as a tier, V12 may be my absolute favorite Savage fight, BRD AF gear this expansion is probably the most gorgeous ever released for the job (same with AST), etc..

You’re allowed to find things decent about Stormblood—yes, even Eureka, because I know that some people enjoy it. I personally don’t, but that’s my opinion just as much as theirs is their opinion. It’s only a problem when one blindly defends things on the sole premise of “these developers can do no wrong, and Yoshida is a god”, completely ignoring the glaringly bad aspects of things and acting like it’s the best thing since sliced bread (and yes, there are some people like that on here).

Sometimes, posters can come off as abrasive, especially if it’s in a topic they’re passionate about. I can be that way sometimes. And I have butted heads with quite a few people on here, and not always civilly. I just take small breaks from the forums when I get frustrated with them; I don’t stop posting entirely. And I’d recommend you try doing the same. Because, otherwise, how are your opinions going to be heard? Because occasionally, some topics are forwarded on to the main development team (a lot of the complaints about housing back and 4.1 garnered attention from them, to give an example).

[Stormfur]

There are plenty of things to like about Stormblood.

For example, I freaking *love* the Azim Steppe and all the different tribes... the Naadam and the whole quest line there. It was just so different and so fun.

I also liked HoH, despite it being mostly a POTD clone with some new stuff added. The ability to summon primals and wipe out a floor was fun as hell. Plus the end-goal was way more attainable than POTD but still a challenge.

The Canals of Uznair - especially the roulette wheel-type map is really fun. I'm glad they added that.

These things don't specifically have to do with Stormblood's story (which I'm ambivalent about), but are just nice additional things to do to cap your tomes and make some gil. I hope the next expansion will have more of these things so it's not just log in + do your dailies + log out.

[Edax]

I learned that the hard way from my last thread about Zenos since it seems like saying anything good about Stormblood is a big no-no

I think you've taken your self-persecution a bit too far. I was criticizing the writing of Zenos and not you. Your thread was an opinion thread about Zenos, and was not titled "The Zenos Fan Club" or anything like that, but a question for other players about Zenos. It's when you started criticizing me for my opinion that I used your own words against you.

[MetalSnakeXI1]

I think you've taken your self-persecution a bit too far. I was criticizing the writing of Zenos and not you. Your thread was an opinion thread about Zenos, and was not titled "The Zenos Fan Club" or anything like that, but a question for other players about Zenos. It's when you started criticizing me for my opinion that I used your own words against you.

I didn't mean you here on this thread by any means and I apologized for my last outburst(check the last page on that thread)

Again I was stupid and didn't watch what I was saying since I had a bad day and I apologize once again

I have a bad habit of not double checking things I say before I post them on social media which led me to problems before which is another reason why I'm trying to step away from Lodestone forums the same way I did with facebook and twitter........again I'm sorry for what I said

[Vahlnir]

While I'm indeed a fledgling player that doesn't make me blind to problems even if they don't affect me the same way others do

Besides,are you implying that the opinion of newcomers is somehow less valid than that of a veteran?Cuz theirs are just as important as veterans cuz if new players are looked down upon here then that's gonna make the community very stale and stagnant.You can't just cater to just the current players and ignore everything the newcomers say.

It's not really as you're implying. There is, however, a honeymoon period whenever someone starts this game or any game for that matter. Once that ends things become a lot clearer. You are entitled to your opinion, obviously, just like everyone else. But since you've only recently started I don't think an opinion can be given objectively on the game as a whole.

[MetalSnakeXI1]

It's not really as you're implying. There is, however, a honeymoon period whenever someone starts this game or any game for that matter. Once that ends things become a lot clearer. You are entitled to your opinion, obviously, just like everyone else. But since you've only recently started I don't think an opinion can be given objectively on the game as a whole.

After 530+ hours I think it's a safe bet that at least I can form some sort of subjective opinion

Opinions are subjective by their nature no matter the game and even after the "honeymoon" period ends I'll probably end up taking a break,play something else then come back when I feel like it

Like I said I'm a simpleton so even if I complained my complaints will probably differ from most since no matter the amount of hours I'll remain a casual MMO player

I'll stop here since like I mentioned before many times I'm not too qualified to discuss further into this thread

Sorry for the messes I caused.

[Deceptus]

While I'm indeed a fledgling player that doesn't make me blind to problems even if they don't affect me the same way others do

Honestly, being a newer player your feedback is indeed valuable as you view things in a completely different scope than a lot of the veterans do. We are inherently jaded and cynical and often times loose sight of the good things SE does.

[MicahZerrshia]

While I'm indeed a fledgling player that doesn't make me blind to problems even if they don't affect me the same way others do

Besides,are you implying that the opinion of newcomers is somehow less valid than that of a veteran?Cuz theirs are just as important as veterans cuz if new players are looked down upon here then that's gonna make the community very stale and stagnant.You can't just cater to just the current players and ignore everything the newcomers say.

Wow I hit a nerve. I wasn't trying to be mean or say your points were not valid, I was just making a blanket statement about how much there seems to be for newer players vs vets.

This is also why I think ppl jump on others being toxic immediately when there were no such intentions. Just chill out and take a moment, you are on the internet and you need a tougher skin and need to read things without that antagonistic voice. I hurled no insults, no ridicule, no personal attacks, I did not say your feelings were not valid or that you shouldn't have an opinion, nothing of the sort. Was just making a statement that's said vets may have a different perspective because this game does seem to have an overwhelming amount of content if you are new but very little and very repetitive if you are not and that is where a lot of the criticism of the dev team stems from.

Obviously there are some issues at play here on your side of the kb. But just know, I was not being a "toxic" player or "elitest" or w/e word your mind went immediately too due to past experiences or more personal issues. But know, I was not mad at you, I was not being insulting or antagonistic. Try reading that (and this) again in a nice, conversational tone instead of a school yard bully one and you may see a difference. I wasn't on the attack at all but I am also not going to take responsibility for hurt feelings because you want to think I am being a bully, that is squarely on you.

There is only so much we can do via text and tone is entirely in the readers head. There is nothing I can do about that.