SCH needs some nerfs

[Maltothoris]

I understand the trepidation regarding nerfs but they need to be taken into consideration when balancing. Too much buffs and you end with Brd and Mch and noct astro in 3.4 (where it solo healed A12s within 2-3 weeks after its release. I stand by what they did to whispering dawn being a good nerf in 4.3.

[MoroMurasaki]

Oh, great, one of these again. So OP wants us to return to 4.0 where SCH struggled behind all healer classes? Because that's what you get when you ask for a nerf.

Better idea is to buff WHM and AST.

Yes, don't you see the part of my post where I say they need to revert to 4.0 SCH?

Honestly maybe read the post before responding to the title?

The state of SCH today is a direct result of over-nerfing it at the beginning of SB. Same with WAR honestly. People complained that they were no longer OP and SE listened and buffed a bunch of things while adding in QoL except they never actually took anything away to compensate. Whoever thought that Indom needed that potency buff specifically should seriously have their judgment called into question, it was one of the stupidest decisions I've seen made in this game in my time here and I mained WHM as lillies released.

SCH seeing nerfs isn't inherently bad. It's spent all but the first few weeks of the expansion as the 100% strongest healer without any rival, to be honest it should be taken down a peg or five. SCH mains can stick it out or swap just like WHM mains have had to for basically all of SB.

It's overdue. Deal with it.

[jameseoakes]

Yes, don't you see the part of my post where I say they need to revert to 4.0 SCH?

Honestly maybe read the post before responding to the title?

The state of SCH today is a direct result of over-nerfing it at the beginning of SB. Same with WAR honestly. People complained that they were no longer OP and SE listened and buffed a bunch of things while adding in QoL except they never actually took anything away to compensate. Whoever thought that Indom needed that potency buff specifically should seriously have their judgment called into question, it was one of the stupidest decisions I've seen made in this game in my time here and I mained WHM as lillies released.

SCH seeing nerfs isn't inherently bad. It's spent all but the first few weeks of the expansion as the 100% strongest healer without any rival, to be honest it should be taken down a peg or five. SCH mains can stick it out or swap just like WHM mains have had to for basically all of SB.

It's overdue. Deal with it.

I'm not sure spite nerfs are ever a good idea

[HyperiusUltima]

I'm not sure spite nerfs are ever a good idea

She’s not saying it out of Spite. SCH as it is now almost virtually has universal CDs for every raid buster and tank buster. AST is also in this stance, just not with universal healing and shielding like SCH has(and a faffing fairy) lest they go into Noct Sect. What SE needs to look at is Healers as a whole and find the major outliers in both healing and mitigation and properly tune them.

[jameseoakes]

She’s not saying it out of Spite. SCH as it is now almost virtually has universal CDs for every raid buster and tank buster. AST is also in this stance, just not with universal healing and shielding like SCH has(and a faffing fairy) lest they go into Noct Sect. What SE needs to look at is Healers as a whole and find the major outliers in both healing and mitigation and properly tune them.

Double SCH still has to be viable in duty finder content so they can't take to much too much strength out of it's aoe heals as it stills need to be a viable healer.

[HyperiusUltima]

Double SCH still has to be viable in duty finder content so they can't take to much too much strength out of it's aoe heals as it stills need to be a viable healer.

Funnily enough, before Indom was buffed it did just fine in Deltascape. They only gave them Miasma 2 back if I remember right in regards to 4.0 fixes.

[KDSilver]

Double SCH still has to be viable in duty finder content so they can't take to much too much strength out of it's aoe heals as it stills need to be a viable healer.

You could already do the job more than enough in Heavensward without Excog/Fey Union/45s aetherflow
Indom was 400 and Emergency tactics 30s.
No largess

[Cerenessus]

You could already do the job more than enough in Heavensward without Excog/Fey Union/45s aetherflow
Indom was 400 and Emergency tactics 30s.
No largess

in other words, while WHM and AST gets 5 new skills and traits each to close gaps in their skillssets SCH should have gotten nothing?

and just a little reminder: the reason SCH is the best Healer right now is comes from the combination of ogcd-heals, fairy and decent mitigation - nerf one skill and you risk that SE will buff another skill shortly after... wouldnt be the first time...
maybe it´s smarter to ask for content, that requieres more healing...

[Dualgunner]

in other words, while WHM and AST gets 5 new skills and traits each to close gaps in their skillssets SCH should have gotten nothing?

and just a little reminder: the reason SCH is the best Healer right now is comes from the combination of ogcd-heals, fairy and decent mitigation - nerf one skill and you risk that SE will buff another skill shortly after... wouldnt be the first time...
maybe it´s smarter to ask for content, that requieres more healing...

We did ask for more Ultimates, which at this time is the only content that requires the level of healing where a WHM will come out on top. They said wait till next expansion, so...we're waiting till next expansion.

[Bourne_Endeavor]

in other words, while WHM and AST gets 5 new skills and traits each to close gaps in their skillssets SCH should have gotten nothing?

and just a little reminder: the reason SCH is the best Healer right now is comes from the combination of ogcd-heals, fairy and decent mitigation - nerf one skill and you risk that SE will buff another skill shortly after... wouldnt be the first time...
maybe it´s smarter to ask for content, that requieres more healing...

To be frank, yes. Except throw AST in the "no new abilities" category alongside SCH. Both are more or less set it terms of their respective kits. They have zero need of additional abilities, let alone five. One could easily argue some of their abilities ought to be nerfed given how extremely invaluable they are.

Regardless, we have reached a point where WHM isn't even the prog healer anymore. AST is objectively better at nearly every aspect. Meanwhile, SCH continues to dominate. While more difficult fights would be an absolute boon, it doesn't change how lop-sided the current healer balance is.