SCH needs some nerfs

[Maltothoris]

The problem with trying to bring it up, per say, is how? The thing with this is it would drastically bring up the power creep that happens with every expansion. Not to mention, when that point is brought up, I rarely see others try to offer suggestions to bring the Whm up to DiAst and Sch level.

That being said, hard nerfs should not be the way as the beginning of SB showed in Sch. Having its mp economy reduced, its dps reduced and the fairy weakened was a bit much when only one of those would of done it. I think the change in whispering dawn in 4.3 is the best example of a decent nerf per say. Easier to use and higher potency but due to being changed into an ability, it lost its interaction with Rouse and Fey Illumination, not to mention the other healing buffs like Nature's Minne or Mantra. WD is now easier to use and can bring the fairy out of Fey Union but lost some burst. That I would be a good example of a decent nerf.

Edit: DOn't mean to be a downer but given SE's track record and having hear the same talk before back when it was 3.4-3.5 and hearing the same talk of "Just bring the Whm up to Sch level" and offer no suggestions on how to do it, just reminding pessimistic.

[LiddyGhu]

The problem with trying to bring it up, per say, is how? The thing with this is it would drastically bring up the power creep that happens with every expansion. Not to mention, when that point is brought up, I rarely see others try to offer suggestions to bring the Whm up to DiAst and Sch level.

I'll give some suggestions.
Increase the healing power of 'Assize,' and move the Damage it does back to another ability, keeping WHM's PPS the same while allowing WHM to use Assize for healing purposes. Let's say, instead of 300 HPot, it's 440 HPot.
Also move the MP restoring function of Assize onto another ability. Either put the same 10% MP recovery on another 1min-cooldown ability like Tetra, or reduce the cooldown of Thin Air.
Buff Divine Benison to 20%, making it about as strong as Lustrate to Tank.

Doing these things would put WHM in a more AST-like and SCH-like position where they are able to focus their OGCD heals to prevent healing GCDs from being necessary.

At the cost of making their healing kit better, I would remove/completely modify Plenary Indulgence into a raidwide Damage buff of some sort, theoretically equivalent in balance to Chain Stratagem.
At the cost of having a raidwide damage buff, make their Personal Damage equivalent to Scholar.

Having party-wide damage buffs makes it so that later in the expansion, WHM does not fall behind due to scaling of damage for healers vs scaling of damage for DPS. (Info about that in a previous post on this thread already.)
These are just some quick brainstorms of how I would change WHM to bring it up to AST's level.

[Deceptus]

I'll give some suggestions.
Increase the healing power of 'Assize,' and move the Damage it does back to another ability, keeping WHM's PPS the same while allowing WHM to use Assize for healing purposes. Let's say, instead of 300 HPot, it's 440 HPot.
Also move the MP restoring function of Assize onto another ability. Either put the same 10% MP recovery on another 1min-cooldown ability like Tetra, or reduce the cooldown of Thin Air.
Buff Divine Benison to 20%, making it about as strong as Lustrate to Tank.

Doing these things would put WHM in a more AST-like and SCH-like position where they are able to focus their OGCD heals to prevent healing GCDs from being necessary.

At the cost of making their healing kit better, I would remove/completely modify Plenary Indulgence into a raidwide Damage buff of some sort, theoretically equivalent in balance to Chain Stratagem.
At the cost of having a raidwide damage buff, make their Personal Damage equivalent to Scholar.

Having party-wide damage buffs makes it so that later in the expansion, WHM does not fall behind due to scaling of damage for healers vs scaling of damage for DPS. (Info about that in a previous post on this thread already.)
These are just some quick brainstorms of how I would change WHM to bring it up to AST's level.

Or allow Fluid Aura to give back some MP as it's useless normally.

Allow Lillies to act as confession stacks and make WHM the AOE heal king.

[LiddyGhu]

Or allow Fluid Aura to give back some MP as it's useless normally.

Allow Lillies to act as confession stacks and make WHM the AOE heal king.

I think that's just it. WHM has too many dead buttons compared to Scholar. Scholar doesn't have a useless ability. Let's look at some facts.

WHM has these endgame buttons which are never used in endgame content:
Repose
Fluid Aura

WHM receives four levels of the same spell (Stone -> Stone IV) and two levels of another same spell (Aero -> Aero II)

Scholar receives three levels of the same spell (Ruin -> Broil -> Broil II) and two levels of another same spell (Bio -> Bio II)

Scholar automatically has an extra three buttons compared to White Mage because of this.
White mage also has two very lengthy cooldowns (defined as above two minutes of cooldown):
Presence of Mind
Benediction

Scholar has only one very lengthy cooldown :
Dissipation

Another takeaway here is that Scholar's Dissipation is more of a niche tool, whereas White Mage's Presence of Mind and Benediction are highly valuable skills that can't be used often.
After this, Scholar receives extra abilities from having a pet, but loses two abilities on Summon and Summon II.
Embrace
and

Whispering Dawn
Fey Covenant
Fey Illumination
OR
Fey Wind
Fey Caress
Silent Dusk

The simple disparity in the amount of useful buttons as well as the activity of their useful buttons will easily cause this imbalance between WHM and SCH.
With how Scholar has give or take 5 more useful buttons than White Mage, it's like they are an expansion ahead. Hopefully you all will look at this as something to change as well.