SCH needs some nerfs

[KDSilver]

surely the 99% WHM's are optimizing less than the 99% SCH's because reasons.

because reasons : because no one is optimizing on whm, whms aren’t running in perfect comps
perfect comp : ast/sch

Read what people tell you.
There are less optimised WHM because optimal comp isn't including WHM.

[MoroMurasaki]

because reasons : because no one is optimizing on whm, whms aren’t running in perfect comps
perfect comp : ast/sch

Read what people tell you.
There are less optimised WHM because optimal comp isn't including WHM.

A WHM at 99% has optimized as much as it is possible to without literally changing jobs.

This is like saying to optimize on SAM just means playing MNK.

The lols continue...

[CreinCrein]

A WHM at 99% has optimized as much as it is possible to without literally changing jobs.

This is like saying to optimize on SAM just means playing MNK.

The lols continue...

Do you know how statistics work? 99% does not mean optimized dps. If I take every grey percentile player and isolate them there will be 99%s within that group; does this mean they're optimized? No. WHMs are missing the subset of players that parse run and speed run in their logs within fflogs because people don't speed-run on whm, and they don't parse-run on whm, because people that do these runs don't take dead weight classes with them. This means whm numbers get pushed down because the upper percentiles of whms are not in the proper setting to parse well. Your inept in proper play spills over to your inept of understanding basic concepts.

[Dualgunner]

Do you know how statistics work? 99% does not mean optimized dps. If I take every grey percentile player and isolate them there will be 99%s within that group; does this mean they're optimized? No. WHMs are missing the subset of players that parse run and speed run in their logs within fflogs because people don't speed-run on whm, and they don't parse-run on whm, because people that do these runs don't take dead weight classes with them. This means whm numbers get pushed down because the upper percentiles of whms are not in the proper setting to parse well. Your inept in proper play spills over to your inept of understanding basic concepts.

TIL: People don't optimize on off-meta jobs.

[MoroMurasaki]

Do you know how statistics work? 99% does not mean optimized dps. If I take every grey percentile player and isolate them there will be 99%s within that group; does this mean they're optimized? No. WHMs are missing the subset of players that parse run and speed run in their logs within fflogs because people don't speed-run on whm, and they don't parse-run on whm, because people that do these runs don't take dead weight classes with them. This means whm numbers get pushed down because the upper percentiles of whms are not in the proper setting to parse well. Your inept in proper play spills over to your inept of understanding basic concepts.

Were I comfortable linking logs I would happily do so to show you how wrong you are and how baseless your assumptions are. Since I can't (and neither can you without being reported into the ground) this isn't an argument that can even happen here.

The best I can do is tell you to actually look before assuming. There are plenty of parse runs for WHM's in this game. They don't hit the numbers a SCH or AST can because WHM doesn't have an answer to Indom or ES so in order to contribute any healing at all it's losing GCDs where as the other two healers arent.

It's like people are incapable of logic when their main is being spoken about.

[Ghishlain]

I'm sorry to say this, but WHM is in a much worse spot than the jobs you mentioned. Replacing a pld with a drk or meta dps with a non-meta dps results in 100-200 rdps difference right now. Replacing a WHM with an AST can result in a 1k rdps difference.

(if you were being sarcastic, I didn't get it)

I was being sarcastic and satirical. The number of WHMs who have logs recorded on FFLogs is a fair margin higher (usually at least 10K+ recorded) than those aforementioned job but WHM's position in the healer role is in a much more precarious than most of those jobs except for potentially MCH (correct me if I'm wrong though, I just hear a lot of bad things about MCH down the grapevine but I've never actually looked in great detail personally)

[Lastelli]

I was being sarcastic and satirical. The number of WHMs who have logs recorded on FFLogs is a fair margin higher (usually at least 10K+ recorded) than those aforementioned job but WHM's position in the healer role is in a much more precarious than most of those jobs except for potentially MCH (correct me if I'm wrong though, I just hear a lot of bad things about MCH down the grapevine but I've never actually looked in great detail personally)

MCH dps is very solid, especially with a DRG and a NIN in the party. MCH issues have more to do with its gameplay design and the fact that it's competing for the physical ranged spot with BRD, and BRD is simply a better choice for several reasons. So in the current situation, either MCH is meta alongside BRD, or it's an inferior choice than BRD, with a much more punishing gameplay, more reliant on party composition and more frustrating to play due to how disruptive high latency is to the job. But if we're talking about efficiency, a WHM is much more detrimental to a party than a MCH.

[CreinCrein]

Were I comfortable linking logs I would happily do so to show you how wrong you are and how baseless your assumptions are. Since I can't (and neither can you without being reported into the ground) this isn't an argument that can even happen here.

The best I can do is tell you to actually look before assuming. There are plenty of parse runs for WHM's in this game. They don't hit the numbers a SCH or AST can because WHM doesn't have an answer to Indom or ES so in order to contribute any healing at all it's losing GCDs where as the other two healers arent.

It's like people are incapable of logic when their main is being spoken about.

Aight I'll bite, explain to me why would anyone take a job that takes away raid dps in a parse run or speed run. Then explain to me how this number could ever be the equivalent to a meta comp in terms of pushing parses. Literally just spent 10 seconds on fflogs and found everything to the contrary. Having dead job mechanics and useless traits tends to make a class undesirable. Having it designed against the meta is pretty bad too. As for my main? My main is what's meta because I care about the people I'm running with and their performance. I'm also a halfway decent healer that can see that whm is a flaming pile of shiz that needs a few buffs, contrary to someone who doesn't know how to read statistics and less so knows how to play healer at an optimal level; insteads parrots things they pretend they think they know about a subject they pretend they think they know. You've also outright dismissed many good arguments in the thread by saying "salty schs stay salty", which speaks to whatever biases you have.

[MoroMurasaki]

Aight I'll bite, explain to me why would anyone take a job that takes away raid dps in a parse run or speed run. Then explain to me how this number could ever be the equivalent to a meta comp in terms of pushing parses. Literally just spent 10 seconds on fflogs and found everything to the contrary. Having dead job mechanics and useless traits tends to make a class undesirable. Having it designed against the meta is pretty bad too. As for my main? My main is what's meta because I care about the people I'm running with and their performance. I'm also a halfway decent healer that can see that whm is a flaming pile of shiz that needs a few buffs, contrary to someone who doesn't know how to read statistics and less so knows how to play healer at an optimal level; insteads parrots things they pretend they think they know about a subject they pretend they think they know. You've also outright dismissed many good arguments in the thread by saying "salty schs stay salty", which speaks to whatever biases you have.

I have no bias against SCH in general just the ones who can't see that their class is overtaking the other healers by a ridiculous amount.

If you can't find the parse runs for WHM on fflogs maybe you should take a class or something I dunno, it isn't hard to do. I'm sorry you're having so much trouble though. It seems like an easy enough thing to me :shrug:

Stay in the meta. That's cool. You can also keep proving me right with this extreme defensiveness. As I said neither of us can link logs so this isn't something that can be settled here. If you care so much about making your point my discord is in my signature, if not stop making claims you can't provide evidence for.

[CreinCrein]

I have no bias against SCH in general just the ones who can't see that their class is overtaking the other healers by a ridiculous amount.

If you can't find the parse runs for WHM on fflogs maybe you should take a class or something I dunno, it isn't hard to do. I'm sorry you're having so much trouble though. It seems like an easy enough thing to me :shrug:

Stay in the meta. That's cool. You can also keep proving me right with this extreme defensiveness. As I said neither of us can link logs so this isn't something that can be settled here. If you care so much about making your point my discord is in my signature, if not stop making claims you can't provide evidence for.

https://www.fflogs.com/reports/vwaDr...pe=damage-done vs https://www.fflogs.com/reports/hBW87...pe=damage-done

Top sch vs whm parse. Skipped the entire final add phase, had a smn for contagion, lower kill time = higher dps, skipped an entire movement and healing phase. Hardly optimal setting for the whm. I can do through the entire top ten to top 50s in the list and see the same trends.

https://www.fflogs.com/reports/CVjdk...pe=damage-done vs https://www.fflogs.com/reports/Wfjam...pe=damage-done

4 vs 4, skipped the entirety of the final add phase. Contagion vs no contagion yet again.

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