SCH needs some nerfs

[Genaux]

I saw a post in another thread comparing the DPS differences between WHM and AST a while ago and that inspired me to do the same thing, but with all three healers. All the data was pulled from fflogs a few days ago during week 7 so it should still be fairly representative.

Here are the DPS thresholds for various percentiles for each of the encounters. I bolded the top DPS in each category.

---Chaos---
99th: AST: 4218 SCH: 4182 WHM: 3620
95th: AST: 3734 SCH: 3689 WHM: 3241
75th: AST: 2991 SCH: 3034 WHM: 2685
50th: AST: 2565 SCH: 2449 WHM: 2267
25th: AST: 1923 SCH: 2089 WHM: 1844

---Midgardsormr---
99th: AST: 3524 SCH: 3530 WHM: 3206
95th: AST: 3141 SCH: 3132 WHM: 2864
75th: AST: 2566 SCH: 2585 WHM: 2419
50th: AST: 2160 SCH: 2234 WHM: 2107
25th: AST: 1803 SCH: 1908 WHM: 1802

---Omega---
99th: AST: 3871 SCH: 3827 WHM: 3245
95th: AST: 3403 SCH: 3355 WHM: 2944
75th: AST: 2791 SCH: 2766 WHM: 2486
50th: AST: 2393 SCH: 2413 WHM: 2199
25th: AST: 2024 SCH: 2097 WHM: 1905

---Omega M/F---
99th: AST: 3586 SCH: 3589 WHM: 3380
95th: AST: 3164 SCH: 3208 WHM: 3028
75th: AST: 2617 SCH: 2718 WHM: 2559
50th: AST: 2245 SCH: 2398 WHM: 2247
25th: AST: 1924 SCH: 2107 WHM: 1958

---Final Omega---
99th: AST: 3776 SCH: 3815 WHM: 3577
95th: AST: 3363 SCH: 3387 WHM: 3113
75th: AST: 2732 SCH: 2772 WHM: 2534
50th: AST: 2225 SCH: 2425 WHM: 2241
25th: AST: 1963 SCH: 2116 WHM: 1984
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AST and SCH appear to be pretty neck and neck in terms of DPS in a lot of these fights, with only a single digit of difference between them in some cases. In none of these fights in any of the selected percentile categories does WHM come out on top.

Unless you are solo-healing or doing something uncommon like doubling up on healing jobs, you will be paired with another healer of a different job. Because of this, its also interesting to look at the pick rates of all the healer compositions. I made a quick bar graph displaying the composition pick rates based on the number of unique pairs of healers who are ranked for each fight.

Number of unique pairs of healers with clears for each of the fights:
---Chaos---
SCH/AST: 7821 SCH/WHM: 10232 WHM/AST: 6081

---Midgardsormr---
SCH/AST: 5990 SCH/WHM: 10395 WHM/AST: 3421

---Omega---
SCH/AST: 4693 SCH/WHM: 6539 WHM/AST: 1639

---Omega M/F---
SCH/AST: 5799 SCH/WHM: 4440 WHM/AST: 461

---Final Omega---
SCH/AST: 2234 SCH/WHM: 1302 WHM/AST: 105

Pick rates in graphical form:


SCH/WHM Starts out popular in the lower floors and is gradually overtaken by SCH/AST by the later floors. For AST/WHM however, the pick rate gradually gets worse in later floors, bottoming out at a measly 2.9% pick rate among cleared healer pairs for Final Omega.

There are probably a lot of reasons why the pick rates are the way they are, and I don't feel I am really qualified to discuss them at length. I hope this data can be useful to somebody though.

[MoroMurasaki]

Also if we are pointing fingers, can I call WHM OP for having the best burst heals in the game, the best burst DPS of the healer, and the best AoE of the healers... I'm not wrong, but why isn't this a discussion, hmm.

Because AoE dps is more or less irrelevant to raiding, that burst dps is more than balanced out by the awful sustained dps that WHM offers for a myriad of reasons and using Cure III anything more frequently than the other healers use their major AoE heals like Indom or Earthly Star is asking to rip off of the tank.

Also, this.

---Chaos---
99th: AST: 4218 SCH: 4182 WHM: 3620
95th: AST: 3734 SCH: 3689 WHM: 3241
75th: AST: 2991 SCH: 3034 WHM: 2685
50th: AST: 2565 SCH: 2449 WHM: 2267
25th: AST: 1923 SCH: 2089 WHM: 1844

---Midgardsormr---
99th: AST: 3524 SCH: 3530 WHM: 3206
95th: AST: 3141 SCH: 3132 WHM: 2864
75th: AST: 2566 SCH: 2585 WHM: 2419
50th: AST: 2160 SCH: 2234 WHM: 2107
25th: AST: 1803 SCH: 1908 WHM: 1802

---Omega---
99th: AST: 3871 SCH: 3827 WHM: 3245
95th: AST: 3403 SCH: 3355 WHM: 2944
75th: AST: 2791 SCH: 2766 WHM: 2486
50th: AST: 2393 SCH: 2413 WHM: 2199
25th: AST: 2024 SCH: 2097 WHM: 1905

---Omega M/F---
99th: AST: 3586 SCH: 3589 WHM: 3380
95th: AST: 3164 SCH: 3208 WHM: 3028
75th: AST: 2617 SCH: 2718 WHM: 2559
50th: AST: 2245 SCH: 2398 WHM: 2247
25th: AST: 1924 SCH: 2107 WHM: 1958

---Final Omega---
99th: AST: 3776 SCH: 3815 WHM: 3577
95th: AST: 3363 SCH: 3387 WHM: 3113
75th: AST: 2732 SCH: 2772 WHM: 2534
50th: AST: 2225 SCH: 2425 WHM: 2241
25th: AST: 1963 SCH: 2116 WHM: 1984

You would think the job with the strongest potency base filler would come out on top at least once. It's almost like there is a problem. Also, startling! Another example of SCH completely dominating the competition.

[MoroMurasaki]

These statistics are wrong and you can't use them because no one is optimizing on whm, whms aren’t running in perfect comps, the number of “good” whms is greatly diminished because most went to go play astro. WHM still beats SCH on a dummy fight and in an optimized group they would as well.

In what world is WHM fighting for the SCH spot? It's also the AST and WHM fighting for the spot.

All the criticism you gave was bad so there's really no need to answer to it. It's very clear you have no idea what you're talking about and you jumping on that statistic bandwagon just proved that even more.

The only real thing that's broken about SCH is their fairy which needs an obvious nerf to some extent. A full time regen throughout the fight that hits for more than an Aspected Benefic/Regen is too strong especially when it costs 0 resources to do. This is why you also have a SCH in the party. If SCH didn't have Embrace you would be seeing more and more WHM/AST combos.

"The statistics don't support my feelycrafting so they are invalid, surely the 99% WHM's are optimizing less than the 99% SCH's because reasons."

Okay champ. Sure thing lol

[KDSilver]

surely the 99% WHM's are optimizing less than the 99% SCH's because reasons.

because reasons : because no one is optimizing on whm, whms aren’t running in perfect comps
perfect comp : ast/sch

Read what people tell you.
There are less optimised WHM because optimal comp isn't including WHM.

[MoroMurasaki]

because reasons : because no one is optimizing on whm, whms aren’t running in perfect comps
perfect comp : ast/sch

Read what people tell you.
There are less optimised WHM because optimal comp isn't including WHM.

A WHM at 99% has optimized as much as it is possible to without literally changing jobs.

This is like saying to optimize on SAM just means playing MNK.

The lols continue...

[CreinCrein]

A WHM at 99% has optimized as much as it is possible to without literally changing jobs.

This is like saying to optimize on SAM just means playing MNK.

The lols continue...

Do you know how statistics work? 99% does not mean optimized dps. If I take every grey percentile player and isolate them there will be 99%s within that group; does this mean they're optimized? No. WHMs are missing the subset of players that parse run and speed run in their logs within fflogs because people don't speed-run on whm, and they don't parse-run on whm, because people that do these runs don't take dead weight classes with them. This means whm numbers get pushed down because the upper percentiles of whms are not in the proper setting to parse well. Your inept in proper play spills over to your inept of understanding basic concepts.