SCH needs some nerfs

[silverlunarfox]

I use all three healers regularly. After SCH had its MP costs tweaked its become a solid class again. I wouldn't say its OP however, because in bad situations it can run out of MP very quickly or isn't able to heal quickly enough once the aetherflow stacks are gone. In a good group however, its great. Not unlike AST thought I think AST performs far better in bad situations.

I think the bigger problem is WHM not being able to compete with the other two as much, so theres a sense of imbalance.

[Mnemosynia]

Coming from an astro i tried out a SCH they seem to have the weakest healing in the game by alot V-cure heals as hard as my scholar so i think this thread is a load of BS.

[Sighearth]

Its been ages since healer balance is this good. Please dont make SE screw up all over again. In all honesty, today anyone can play any healer without any problem. I rly dont think sch is overtuned and even if it was just a bit, it is not worth to bring it down and have the healers unbalanced all over again.

[Risvertasashi]

Its been ages since healer balance is this good.

I couldn't help but stare at this for a long while. Did I step into a parallel universe? Maybe today is the day raiders stop asking me to switch to AST and SCH isn't considered mandatory..?

[Connor]

Personally, I feel like Scholar was intended to be a lower potency healer in exchange for shields, utility and having extra healing coming from fairy. I always loved the idea of a support healer with less healing output but a set of strategic spells that can be extremely useful when applied to the right situation. But then they started adding a ton of powerful off-GCD abilities with very short cooldowns and barely any requirements (you can pretty much always have at least 1 aetherflow ready if you plan properly). Indomitability, Excogitation, Fey Union, etc.
Then they started buffing these abilities and lowered aetherflow’s cool down. The result that is that you can handle most healing requirements effortlessly almost entirely using your off-gcd. Then all that’s left to do is spam Broil and DoTs, which doesn’t make me feel like much of a ‘Scholar’.

I mean, so many skills that Scholar has have been made nearly redundant by off-GCDs. Adloquium is a waste of MP when you can just use Excogitation for an even stronger heal with essentially no cost, on a very short cooldown. And since they buffed it to always take effect it’s pretty much impossible to waste it unless you somehow end up healing 0HP with it. Succor can pretty much always be replaced with Indomitability, or just left to co-healer or fairy regen. Physick hasn’t been considered worth using for a while, especially with the extremely powerful off-gcd combination of Excogitation, Fey Union and Whispering Dawn. And that’s not even considering Embrace or presence of a co-healer.

I personally think the reason Scholar is too powerful is that it has all these spells that are intended to balance it out (e.g Adloquium/Succor costs, cast times, lower healing potencies) with other healers can be pretty ignored in a lot of cases. I feel like if Scholars were more focused on shielding the party and providing support, rather than being the ‘everything-is-off-gcd-and-super-powerful’ class that has huge DPS potential, then it’d feel a lot more balanced in comparison to other healers.

I also feel like the design of the healing as a whole favours Scholar more naturally than it has the other healers. If healing were more frequent and damage was higher, Scholars would be under more pressure to use GCD healing / shields, maybe even stuff that doesn’t really have a use like Sacred Soil. That way they wouldn’t be able to just hit Indomitability and go back to Broils. I think this can also be applied to Astrologian to some extent, though I am aware that they aren’t as free to use off-gcd for the majority of their healing.

That’s just my opinion though, of course. But I personally find it becoming more and more boring as time goes on. Especially as gear improves and i gradually have less and less to heal. Maybe it’s just me but feel like Scholar was never intended to be designed an extra DPS like it currently is, it’s just became as such as a culmination of years of buffs with no checks put in place to balance things out after said buffs were applied

[Sunako]

Adlo crit is still not reliable, it is too much rng based. You can not calculate any mechanic based by your adlo crit. It not make sch overpowered. Sometimes it crit, most of time not. What make adlo/spread really powerful is that you can abuse singletarget tank buffs like defiance + conva and spread it for aoe.

[Grimoire-M]

If you wanna balance SCH remove Critlo so Noct Benefic and it can be properly tuned against one another (ideally nerfing Noct Benefic down rather than boosting Adlo up), move Fey Covenant to Selene (replacing Fey Caress). Nerf indom to 300 potency, add a 300 potency 2-minute CD AoE heal to Eos, then remove Rouse and take a proper look at how good Fey Union and Embrace are (Embrace has always felt too weak or too good depending on item level post-cap).

Those are fair abilities to have and hit a lot of SCH's strengths without wrecking it. Hell I'd be fine if Indom was weaker than a GCD AoE heal if it had a lower cooldown. Even a Lustrate level one. Aetherflow gates it as is.

[Eloah]

If you wanna balance SCH remove Critlo so Noct Benefic and it can be properly tuned against one another (ideally nerfing Noct Benefic down rather than boosting Adlo up), move Fey Covenant to Selene (replacing Fey Caress). Nerf indom to 300 potency, add a 300 potency 2-minute CD AoE heal to Eos, then remove Rouse and take a proper look at how good Fey Union and Embrace are (Embrace has always felt too weak or too good depending on item level post-cap).

Those are fair abilities to have and hit a lot of SCH's strengths without wrecking it. Hell I'd be fine if Indom was weaker than a GCD AoE heal if it had a lower cooldown. Even a Lustrate level one. Aetherflow gates it as is.

Wow, you uh... really wanna break us don't you.

[Grimoire-M]

Wow, you uh... really wanna break us don't you.

It's honestly warranted. You'd still play SCH over the other two healers even with those changes. Fey Covenant is good. Indom is -stupidly- good. Embrace and Fey Union have almost no cost and are always better than Regen/D.Benefic on a single target. Rouse only affects Embrace now so there's little reason to have it anymore when it and Fey Union cover similar ground (Fey's better when its applicable, obviously) unless you wanna see Whispering Dawn nerfs to justify returning it back to a spell. Critlo is something SE has to tune AST's shields around and both classes suffer for it. Deploy still has a benefit with the base Adlo shield. The only reason I added the AoE pet heal is because sometimes you do need that 500 potency Indom, but not as often as it feels like you do. Needing to Succor more isn't gonna kill SCH either. You even might have to use Emergency Tactics sometimes. Not a big loss overall.