Information on 1.21 Next week?

[Cichy]

ITT: people who have obviously never played an MMO before and have never paid for a game beyond its shelf price and have no idea how the world really works

Yeah because 90% of people on this site has not paid for years of subscription to XI. You want to know how the real world works? If you promise a product to someone and take their money you should delivery it. Otherwise, you get a bad rep, the client can sue you, and you pretty much deserve to go out of business.

[Coglin]

Yeah because 90% of people on this site has not paid for years of subscription to XI. You want to know how the real world works? If you promise a product to someone and take their money you should delivery it. Otherwise, you get a bad rep, the client can sue you, and you pretty much deserve to go out of business.

That would apply if they made any promises or garuntees. Your right, I never paid for years of FFXI subs, I paid for about a year, but I have played several other MMOs. If you think we are not getting much communication in relation to the genre standard, then it clearly demonstrates your absolute lack of knowledge.

[NoctisUmbra]

Yeah because 90% of people on this site has not paid for years of subscription to XI. You want to know how the real world works? If you promise a product to someone and take their money you should delivery it. Otherwise, you get a bad rep, the client can sue you, and you pretty much deserve to go out of business.

Are you able to log onto and play FFXIV? Yes? Then you're getting what you paid for.

Were delays existent before they started charging subscription? Yes - and more than the number of patches without delays. Therefore did you know what to expect in terms of patch release dates when you started paying? Yes? Then you're getting what you paid for.

Are you paying for them to tell you what you want to know about the game's future when you want to know it? No.

You are getting what you paid for.

If you feel like you have any grounds on which to sue SE as a consumer of their product, Godspeed.

Otherwise, stop making horrible analogies.

[Agoven]

Agoven casts HALO on everyone and brings you great joy and happiness...it has arrived...everything you dreamed of.

NOW SMIILE!!

Wielder of the Staff of Justice I pronounce to you all...It will come eventually. Start drooling and dream of lots of candies!!!

[Biggs]

To all of those raging, please continue to rage if it makes you feel better. I also hate that SE can't seem to meet any of the deadlines they set for themselves. It use to infuriate me as well, now I just think its embarrissing on there part, but we can do little about it.

To those raging at the ragerS: telling them to deal with it is humerous. They ARE dealing with it. Just because they aren't dealing the same way the rest of us are doesnt mean they aren't stuck waiting it out with the rest of us. To each his own all, I just fail to to understand how someone that is pissed about more delays effects the rest of you. Let em rage if it makes em feel better, its not really hurting anyone.

I suspect we will get a letter or post soon that explains why this patch is going to take just a little longer than the time they quoted us last. Its gettting to be predictable, and kinda sad.

[NoctisUmbra]

To those raging at the ragerS: telling them to deal with it is humerous. They ARE dealing with it. Just because they aren't dealing the same way the rest of us are doesnt mean they aren't stuck waiting it out with the rest of us. To each his own all, I just fail to to understand how someone that is pissed about more delays effects the rest of you. Let em rage if it makes em feel better, its not really hurting anyone.

Oh, I agree. They can deal with it how they like. They chose to deal with it by raging on public forums, sharing their rants with everyone as if every detail of their feelings are ever-important to the world. They should simply accept that when they go on a public forum to rant, people will attack/complain about them. The problem is the ridiculous white knight accusations being tossed around to anyone that simply does not want to put up with unnecessary ranting.

If people are entitled to raging online to deal with their disappointment, others are entitled to rage at their raging to deal with their annoyance. Don't just draw the line wherever you want about what's ok and what isn't. The FFXIV Forums are for discussion and feedback. Not one-sided, pointless raging.

If I'm upset with something I don't go out in public and start ranting among strangers. If I did, I would at least do so expecting them to yell at me to stfu.

[Biggs]

Oh, I agree. They can deal with it how they like. They chose to deal with it by raging on public forums, sharing their rants with everyone as if every detail of their feelings are ever-important to the world. They should simply accept that when they go on a public forum to rant, people will attack/complain about them. The problem is the ridiculous white knight accusations being tossed around to anyone that simply does not want to put up with unnecessary ranting.

If people are entitled to raging online to deal with their disappointment, others are entitled to rage at their raging to deal with their annoyance. Don't just draw the line wherever you want about what's ok and what isn't. The FFXIV Forums are for discussion and feedback. Not one-sided, pointless raging.

If I'm upset with something I don't go out in public and start ranting among strangers. If I did, I would at least do so expecting them to yell at me to stfu.

One could then argue that raging is just the far right end of the spectrum that is feedback is all I am saying. Expressing displeasure is feedback. My point is, its an open forum, and my guess is , people that rage to that degree are probably LOOKING for people to respond negatively to them, it then gives them a focal point for thier rage since SE rarely responds to that sort of thing. If you were to go out in public and rage, people really would tell you to STFU because your causing a disturbance and distrupting the peace. People writing words in capitol letters on a forum about video games isn't really the same thing at all. Its not disrupting anyones peace, so let em go nuts. They certainly have a right to get irritated at a company that they pay money to for not doing what they said they would do when they said they were going to do it.

Wow, totally off OP now. Thats my bad. Glad to see the devs respond about this, although it still doesn't tell us anything we didnt already know. As always, 'They are working on it" lol. We should make and distribute SE t-shirts with that on the back.

[Cichy]

One could then argue that raging is just the far right end of the spectrum that is feedback is all I am saying. Expressing displeasure is feedback. My point is, its an open forum, and my guess is , people that rage to that degree are probably LOOKING for people to respond negatively to them, it then gives them a focal point for thier rage since SE rarely responds to that sort of thing. If you were to go out in public and rage, people really would tell you to STFU because your causing a disturbance and distrupting the peace. People writing words in capitol letters on a forum about video games isn't really the same thing at all. Its not disrupting anyones peace, so let em go nuts. They certainly have a right to get irritated at a company that they pay money to for not doing what they said they would do when they said they were going to do it.

Wow, totally off OP now. Thats my bad. Glad to see the devs respond about this, although it still doesn't tell us anything we didnt already know. As always, 'They are working on it" lol. We should make and distribute SE t-shirts with that on the back.

Exactly what I was thinking. However, many people on this forum tend to attack people who actually have legit complaints. I guess they think they are guarding virtue and honor of the company and the devs.
SE is a for profit corporation, they are* here to make money first and foremost. Many of us complain on here but we want the company to do better. You can sugar coat them all you want and chase away complainers with torches and pitchforks. It wont change the fact that their customer relations and PR department are doing crappy job. It doesnt change the fact that again and again they fail to deliver on their promises while charging people.
Others wont even give them a courtesy of a complaint. They will cancel their accounts, leave the game, tell all their friends not to buy it and that spreads like a virus.

[Teknoman]

The proof is in the pudding needs to be a sidequest in game. More opportunities to fight flan, or even a giant flan hiding evidence.

[syntaxlies]

The proof is in the pudding needs to be a sidequest in game. More opportunities to fight flan, or even a giant flan hiding evidence.

a side quest were you have to rescue a child from inside the belly of a flan and safely escort him outta a dungeon type area. now theres a side quest.