Criteria for the Interior Design Contest?

[MeriAngel]

I thought the same thing- there were some designs that were amazing! But... there was a couple that looked like ... well not winners. I entered but after looking at some of the other entries I knew I wasnt going to win. That was fine till I saw one of the winners and was highly confused. There were a few others that ought to have won.

[MeriAngel]

They were asked to clarify wether or not the use of those glitches was allowed or not - at least both in the english and the german part of the forum. Both questions went unanswered and were ignored or "overlooked". So it was by no means clear wether or not the use of those glitches was against any rules - if it would have been, there would be an answer from them saying "You may not make use of them".

Umm some exploits were winners. hmm. I think you are right here.

[Miles_Maelstrom]

Are there seriously people who view floating furniture, or even clipping furniture together (because they aren't solid objects) as exploits? That's a very strange stance to take. You are simply using the tools the default housing editor gives you in completely vanilla ways.

You may as well say weaving ogcds is 'glitching', or slidecasting is 'glitching'. I'm sure the former seems like witchcraft to those without an understanding of the combat system. And the latter is an interesting subject actually, since you're abusing the leniency of the lag tolerance built into the action queue. Logic would imply that casting a 2.5s spell with a 2.5s gcd would leave you completely rooted, but with slidecasting even the impossible is possible. Even things like requiring subcommand menu keybinds/interactions remind me of things like the legacy/standard camera toggles in the combat side of the game. By simply flipping a toggle, you gain functionality (instant 180 turns) that is literally impossible otherwise - is that an exploit?

Well I'm not here to change anyone's mind, but to offer some advice. Sometimes, you'll miss out on opportunities and utility if you're too timid to extrapolate from imperfect knowledge and make a call. We know that egregious housing related bugs have been fixed in the past (out of bounds furniture, clipping aquariums) and yet these 'glitches' persist, it seems like a rather safe bet to me.

You are placing items where the game did not intend them to go. It's text book exploiting. I'm not saying it's bad, as far as exploits go it's very tame. I use them. I believe that the fact that these exploits were chosen as winners lead more to why keep them as glitches make them features and stop leaving this gray area.

[Myon88]

I agree that SE having no qualms about choosing these entries does give us clues as to their attitude toward these 'glitches'. Personally though I've never felt that this outcome was ever in question.

The game does not 'intend' for items to go anywhere in particular, if the editor lets you place them there, it's fair game. You may as well say that every time you slidecast you violate the letter of the law as to what the game's combat system 'intends' you to be doing. If you take issue with this, I hope you respect the rules of the game just as much in combat, and don't exploit your latency to move when you shouldn't be able to.

Systems aren't perfect, and emergent behavior is to be expected. If something crosses the line or has negative repercussions, no doubt we'll find out from them in short order, as we did with those out-of-bounds housing glitches. Many of these glitches long predate that event and go back to the very beginnings of the introduction of the housing system, that they've been allowed to persist without comment I take to be a very encouraging sign.

[Asrun]

I am very disappointed by the result of this contest.
Is pretty evident that many of the winners violated the rules (using gpose, filters etc.). One of the first winner entry (Kashyanna) even used a screenshot of the exterior that was against the rules and out of scope of the contest.. I mean, it is an interior design contest.
I ask for all the submisdion against the rules to be rejected as is stated in rules.
Is there a support contact we can write to about it?

[Asrun]

I would like to highlight this:
http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...=1#post4734116

The winner that summitted a screenshot of exterior asked if she was allowed to. The answer was negative. Than she submitted it anyway and even ended winning the contest...
I am sorry, but this is not fair.

[HyoMinPark]

I do wonder just how winners were chosen for this contest.

[Elamys]

While I can agree that there were a lot of people who won that shouldn't have due to usage of gpose and filters, Tyria, why are you so concerned about this as to make another post on the forums after the facebook post? You won in one category, why be salty that you weren't picked in others? Is it not better that more people had an opportunity to win the prize. It just seems very mean-spirited and rude to those who did win and did follow the rules to say "well some of these designs just don't seem as good as X design I saw or did."

Also, re: excessive glitching disqualifying people, I was one of the winners and there are a number of glitches in my home, including one that is blatantly visible in the thumbnail used in the winning announcement. We don't know why SE chose one and not another, whether it's because the person did something to disqualify themselves, whether it's because there was too much glitching, or whether or not SE just didn't feel the design was worthy of merit.

This happens every design or art contest - "why did this win, it's so terrible?" The most obvious of answers is that SE did not agree with you on it.

I would like to highlight this:
http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...=1#post4734116

The winner that summitted a screenshot of exterior asked if she was allowed to. The answer was negative. Than she submitted it anyway and even ended winning the contest...
I am sorry, but this is not fair.

That post does not necessarily say that posting a screenshot of the exterior among the 6 or so of your interior is going to disqualify you.

[Asrun]

That post does not necessarily say that posting a screenshot of the exterior among the 6 or so of your interior is going to disqualify you.

Well maybe not necessarily, but what it does say is that you shouldn’t submit exterior screenshot (and I add: one that is clearly taken with /gpose...).
And the rules state:
Sponsor shall not accept and may delete submissions that: (a) deviate from the established theme; (b) violate or infringe any laws, regulations, or rights, including any intellectual property, publicity, or privacy rights; (c) are missing required information...

Submitting an exterior deviate from the theme of contest wich is interior design.
Among the required information there is a specific number of screenshots, but since one of them is the exterior that doesn’t count, she submitted only 5 valid screenshots. So her entry is missing some of the required information.

Anyway in general I don’t care how winners where chosen. I think that choosing is a subjective matter.
What I do care is that the winners where chosen among entries compliant with the rules.
So all the entries that used /gpose and filter should be refused not awarded.

[Elamys]

Anyway in general I don’t care how winners where chosen. I think that choosing is a subjective matter.
What I do care is that the winners where chosen among entries compliant with the rules.
So all the entries that used /gpose and filter should be refused not awarded.

Yeah, I can agree that the winners who used those or were in clear violation of other rules (like changing furniture after the fact) shouldn't have won. I spent 3 months wishing I could redecorate and not being able to because I wanted to win. Man, if only I knew I could have done it anyways.