Is doing USD art commissions allowed on FFXIV?

[DevonEllwood]

What is this thread.

You're still making it seem like it's a bigger issue for some nobody to take art they didn't create and tag it on Twitter or some nonsense and say "I did it." So what? That's just a personal problem. They can't sell your art for money, and they can't reproduce it or create more. All it is to them is some weird claim with absolutely no weight behind it.

I have a personal problem and it's with people like you spreading misinformation. You are literally trying to tell people who have picked art as more than a hobby, went to school for it, and were taught about copyright infringement, that they are wrong. Because why? Art should just be fun and we shouldn't care.

[whiskeybravo]

That's not entirely true, physical objects can be reproduced. All of those famous paintings you here about? Very few are the originals anymore and only certain museums get to actually have the original pieces. A lot of those pieces are very good reproductions made by some very talented people with a brush.

A lot of art thieves in this day and age will take works from others...and then sell them on places like Amazon.com, RedBubble, Society 6, etc as physical canvas prints. It's not very hard to take a digital picture and print it onto a canvas actually.

Well I meant that in the sense that if you painted 2 pieces of the same thing, there would naturally be slight variations between the 2. At least moreso than a piece of digital art which is easily copied. I was trying to excluded digital pictures of artwork in this question. But either way, yes there is a market for both fake/duplicate art and authentication of original art so maybe it wasn't a well thought out question.

[Sigma-Astra]

Well I meant that in the sense that if you painted 2 pieces of the same thing, there would naturally be slight variations between the 2. At least moreso than a piece of digital art which is easily copied. I was trying to excluded digital pictures of artwork in this question. But either way, yes there is a market for both fake/duplicate art and authentication of original art so maybe it wasn't a well thought out question.

It depends on the skill of the two people I feel. There are actual artists who get paid to reproduce famous works of art or run maintenance on the original works that require them to have the same style and skills as the famous artist in question. There may or may not be any sort of noticeable variations between the two pieces simply because the person is being paid to be exact and down to the finest and smallest details.

So, it's really kind of a case by case scenario that's not as simple as assuming two people can't possibly paint in the same way: they could but it depends on the situation.

[Vnolan]

As my title asks: is it allowed to do art commissions for USD/paypal (not gil, cuz I'm pretty sure that would be classified as RMT) through FFXIV game and forums?

It's not allowed according to the rules:

http://support.na.square-enix.com/ru...2&tag=users_en

2.3 Commercial Use. You may not exploit the Game for any commercial purpose (for example, advertising any product or service in-game, or use by the operator of a cyber café) without Square Enix's prior written consent.

But as many have observed through SE's lack of enforcement, the rules are mostly suggestions. If you advertise using the PF and don't say in the PF listing that you're selling for real money, nothing will happen.

[JackHatchet]

I feel that digital art has the ability to look 'prettier,' but when it comes to mantle pieces around the office or displayed prominently in a residence--I feel that one of a kind physical pieces tend to be more prestigious (subjectively). It's true that physical art can be replicated, but most of the time it's replicated--it's done so because the original piece is worth (just so much money) that it provides a lot of incentive for other artists to copy them. A more benevolent reason to copy classic pieces is to preserve and replicate the art of passed artists.

Art is still so very subjective in many-many ways, but objectively, a physical piece is generally more unique, and much more complex to duplicate. In addition, (assuming you don't lose track), there will always be a genuine 'first edition,' regardless of the copies, where as digital doesn't really have a first edition. Though some artists will do a 'run number' of limited copies.

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I almost want to say that there's almost two entirely different genres of art marketing. And while I'm not experienced with fan-art, and digital art sales. I've often been involved with the sales of physical art pieces. Generally for cooperate offices and personal collectors.

[DamianFatale]

I would say that it’s a gray area.

- Doing commissions for real money or Gil is fine.

- Advertising the prices in shout chat, or forums is not fine.

- Shouting invites to a stream however I have seen, and as long as you’re not obnoxious, people do this regularly. Usually through a linkshell.

- Posting fan art in the forums might be allowed. Square Enix does host yearly art contests. Perhaps the easiest way would be to make some kind of fan art thread, so that it benefits all artists. I see draw your own character posts once in awhile.

[Canadane]

I would say that it’s a gray area.

- Doing commissions for real money or Gil is fine.

No! No no!
Bringing gil into it is the essence of RMT.
Do not trade game currency for anything outside the game.

[Yui_Tenshi]

Art commission is not RMT as it does not involve gil/items in game. Using the game or forums to sell services (which includes commissioning works) is against the ToS. Posting works just for show is not against the ToS but could be considered spam, and is against community and game policies especially if they're not FFXIV related.

[JackHatchet]

I have a personal problem and it's with people like you spreading misinformation. You are literally trying to tell people who have picked art as more than a hobby, went to school for it, and were taught about copyright infringement, that they are wrong. Because why? Art should just be fun and we shouldn't care.

I'm saying that I don't understand how people who build their art and careers off the backs of other creators (by drawing another's character) can be so against others using their art. If folks want to play the high-horse card, then why not just create their own art? Why rely other creators for ideas and character design?

[Sigma-Astra]

I'm saying that I don't understand how people who build their art and careers off the backs of other creators (by drawing another's character) can be so against others using their art. If folks want to play the high-horse card, then why not just create their own art? Why rely other creators for ideas and character design?

You're still in this thread acting like you know anything remotely factual about the professional side of something you only dabble in for "Fun"...?

Good lord...have mercy on my soul. Please, go take a few art history classes, you clearly need them.....and some legal ones as well apparently.