Doman Reconstruction: Watchtower issues

[Bhearil]

Is only me or i was really annoyed with that part.

Instead of making use of the garlean watchtower while they focus on more important issues, they just waste funds on getting specific tools and tons of explosive to destroy a perfectly usable building just because is garlean and build instead a glorious doma building on the very same place with the same functionality(even if they add some extras at the end they could have been added to the old watchtower as well).

If that part was the very last of the reconstruction series i would have acepted it even if it was a waste of DONATED resources (they can do whatever they want with their money though). I understand that they want to recover their identity as a country, but this is like your house being flooded, beg for donations to recover and despite finding a perfectly functional fridge belonging to no one you throw it out and ask for money to buy a new one instead because you dislike the brand of that one.

With all those wasted resources would have been better to build ANOTHER watchtower on any other place and have not 1 but 2 watchtowers (they wont die for having to cope with a garlean building for a while when they are still begging for donations). Even the garden is a far better investiment since there is nothing there at the start and would give people a place to rest and relax

[Frizze]

I didnt have an issue with this. They waited to work on the tower until the more important stuff was done. Your fridge analogy isnt really right though. Unless Frigidaire was also responsible for flooding your house in the first place, then tormenting you as you lived in a tent for months waiting on repairs to be done. In that case, yeah you might want a different brand of fridge for your new kitchen. The tower, aside from being an aesthetic mismatch to the rest of the enclave, represented everything bad that happened in the last 30 years. Tearing it down makes a bit of sense.

My issue with the tower is what to put on top. I picked the lighthouse idea, as it seemed practical. Then they agreed with me. Makes me wonder if anyone picked the statue and if they built one, or whether they decided on the more practical application.

[RicaRuin]

If you pick the statue, they'll just dismiss the idea because Hien is not the kind of person to be fond of such, and a NPC adds the lighthouse idea.

I had no issues with tearing down the old watchtower - heck, they have suffered who-knows-what from Garleans, they don't need a visual reminder of them for trauma.

[Ramesses]

If you pick the statue, they'll just dismiss the idea because Hien is not the kind of person to be fond of such, and a NPC adds the lighthouse idea.

I had no issues with tearing down the old watchtower - heck, they have suffered who-knows-what from Garleans, they don't need a visual reminder of them for trauma.

Exactly this... totally agree.

To the OP, I also had no issue whatsoever with this and how the events played out. The reference to Hien was also justified because it really captured his main vein of character.

[Cybylt]

If you want to look at it from a matter of practicality, they don't have the means to keep that thing in usable order indefinitely. Look at their architecture, they're not about and might not even know the large scale metallurgy required to keep that thing standing long term. It's better that they scrap it and re-purpose the metals towards smaller smithing projects in The Yard and then build up their own lighthouse rather than put effort into upkeep a symbol of their oppression just because it serves a practical purpose that could done with less trouble or be a constant, looming symbol of an attempt to erase their culture.

[Bhearil]

If you want to look at it from a matter of practicality, they don't have the means to keep that thing in usable order indefinitely. Look at their architecture, they're not about and might not even know the large scale metallurgy required to keep that thing standing long term. It's better that they scrap it and re-purpose the metals towards smaller smithing projects in The Yard and then build up their own lighthouse rather than put effort into upkeep a symbol of their oppression just because it serves a practical purpose that could done with less trouble or be a constant, looming symbol of an attempt to erase their culture.

Except they mention the fact that its construction was so good that they were forced to spend a lot of resources to bring it down. Dont forget the fact that Garleans tend their buildings and keep them in good shape and Doma liberation has just happened so it could have been used for years if not decades before the repairs needed were out of doman skill. Garlean architecture is not Allaghan tech and there has been a lot of boasting about Doma blacksmithing skills before to now say: "sorry we suck, we are unable to understand at all a metal structure workings".

We are donating money for Doma to recover. If they want to remove perfectly functional garlean structures without bothering to repurposing it, means that they are getting more money than they need yet they keep begging for more.

This is akin to using NGO funds to blow apart a dictator huge palace for "reasons" after his fall instead of tending the people in need and then saying: "It was needed,it remembered us too much of the dictator so it had preference over anything else. But now give us more money to build another palace over the one we just blow up since the new one wont be reeking of dictatorship"

Once Doma recovers they can eat the garlean buildings for all i care and build golden Hien statues all over the country if they are willing to spend their funds on that, but when people is struggling so hard that need external help is not the moment to be picky with perfectly usable structures. Its like a refugee throwing his plate of fish to the floor cos he hates fish and wants meat instead. Well son, when you can get your own food then you can be picky with food not when others are feeding you for charity

[Cybylt]

Except they mention the fact that its construction was so good that they were forced to spend a lot of resources to bring it down. Dont forget the fact that Garleans tend their buildings and keep them in good shape and Doma liberation has just happened so it could have been used for years if not decades before the repairs needed were out of doman skill. Garlean architecture is not Allaghan tech and there has been a lot of boasting about Doma blacksmithing skills before to now say: "sorry we suck, we are unable to understand at all a metal structure workings".

We are donating money for Doma to recover. If they want to remove perfectly functional garlean structures without bothering to repurposing it, means that they are getting more money than they need yet they keep begging for more.

This is akin to using NGO funds to blow apart a dictator huge palace for "reasons" after his fall instead of tending the people in need and then saying: "It was needed,it remembered us too much of the dictator so it had preference over everything else. But now give us more money to build another palace over the one we just blow up since the new one wont be reeking of dictatorship"

Once Doma recovers they can eat the garlean buildings for all i care and build golden Hien statues all over the country if they are willing to spend their funds on that, but when people is struggling so hard that need external help is not the moment to be picky with perfectly usable structures. Its like a refugee throwing his plate of fish to the floor cos he hates fish and wants meat instead. Well son, when you can get your own food then you can be picky with food not when others are feeding you for charity

They explicitly cover all of these bases before moving on to this point, though. We have an established center of government, farms, a center of trade with a major export industry and local crafts supplying local efforts, a school, a security force. They're not barely scraping by and we're not donating to give them what they're lacking at this point, or ever, even. We're donating to get stuff done immediately. We're not even donating, we're trading goods that they could use or trade for money in our pocket.

There's also a difference between capability of skill in crafting weapons and cookware and the quantity and scale to work industrial projects. They're not about to go about making girders and siding plates on a smithy's anvil.

[Chewy2nd]

Makes you wonder what Eorzea will do with Baelsar's Wall

[Nalien]

What bothers me is that from Yanxia it's still the Garlean tower... Though I don't know why I expected any differently, things have been like this since 2.0 (Wanderer's Palace clearly doesn't fit in what we can see from Bronze Lake, Steps of Faith is remarkably different from what you can see from Coerthas, you can see Idyllshire from the Rival Wings map, but not the Rival Wings map from Idyllshire... etc. etc.)

It makes perfect sense for them to take it down though... It's a reminder of Garlean occupation and it's literally the first thing you see as you enter, and it's not like they "wasted" resources on it either, other than a garden it seems to be the last thing our donations have gone towards, that's hardly putting it ahead of other important projects. Of all the things to be disappointed with regarding the Doman Reconstruction...

Makes you wonder what Eorzea will do with Baelsar's Wall

Given the Eorzean Alliance has made zero progress on clearing out old Castrums with zero reinforcements or solid supply line (how have those Garleans not starved to death yet?), I doubt they have the resources to do anything to Baelsar's Wall. Surprised they had the resources to even take back Ala Mhigo. I wonder if we'll ever get a time skip expansion that can give us an Eorzea without rogue Garlean Castrums standing everywhere...

[Bhearil]

They explicitly cover all of these bases before moving on to this point, though. We have an established center of government, farms, a center of trade with a major export industry and local crafts supplying local efforts, a school, a security force. They're not barely scraping by and we're not donating to give them what they're lacking at this point, or ever, even. We're donating to get stuff done immediately. We're not even donating, we're trading goods that they could use or trade for money in our pocket.

There's also a difference between capability of skill in crafting weapons and cookware and the quantity and scale to work industrial projects. They're not about to go about making girders and siding plates on a smithy's anvil.

Correction AFTER the watchtower is when they mentioned they covered the bases, they built some extras on the whateverhernameis gal room and then someone suggested to make a garden, but EVERYTHING is from donations.

We dont donate= doma reconstruction gets stuck, is not like Revenant Toll or Idllyshire that grown by themselves here either you donate some money to keep things moving or everything stops. They are able to do some trading, but thats only because we donate the starting funds

A NGO wont complain if their funds are used to build a park, but they WILL complain if they destroy a building just to make the same building again.

About the maintenance if doma artisans are unable to keep it on a decent state for at least some years then it means they are totally incompetent and would need decades to build a single ship that is far more complex structurally wise even when made of wood.

Im willing to bet that Doman watchtower requires far more effort in maintenance than the old garlean tower and metal structures need years before they start to need anything bigger than a very basic maintenance

And yeah there are also other things that irk me on Doman reconstruction but this one was ridiculious. I was almost fearing the security force will appear after saying they only had stones and sticks as weapons to protect the enclave because they destroyed their garlean made weapons since it reminded them of the ocupation as well

It makes perfect sense for them to take it down though... It's a reminder of Garlean occupation and it's literally the first thing you see as you enter, and it's not like they "wasted" resources on it either, other than a garden it seems to be the last thing our donations have gone towards, that's hardly putting it ahead of other important projects. Of all the things to be disappointed with regarding the Doman Reconstruction...

It makes sense to tear it down when they are no longer dependant of donations, not before and its not like they cant remodel it keep it for a few years while they improve current buildings and services THEN when its maintenance starts to be problematic, just tear it apart and build a new one on a far better economic situation. That is a waste of funds that could have been invested on ANYTHING else, you gotta be pragmatic on that situation even if you hate Garlemald not "i prefer to sleep in the open despite pouring because this building is garlean made and i hate everything garlean made!!"