Doman Reconstruction: Watchtower issues

[Alleo]

So if someone was abused in your city, someone you did not even know, or at that time was not even born and they came back to murder everyone, including your family, would you truly just say: Well I can understand that, lets forgive that person, we are kinda all at fault here and lets built a grave for them?

I mean if she had come back and hurt those people that have hurt her directly then maybe one could feel a bit more sympathy with her motives, but she hurt anyone just because they were born in the country, even if they were not even alive at that time. Your past does not in any way ever absolve you from such horrible crimes.

In the end Hien can only do so much. He should not ignore the problem and should try to change it but hoping that something like that never really happens again is probably too much.

[TheMightyMollusk]

So if someone was abused in your city, someone you did not even know, or at that time was not even born and they came back to murder everyone, including your family, would you truly just say: Well I can understand that, lets forgive that person, we are kinda all at fault here and lets built a grave for them?

There's a difference between "burial to put a body in the ground" (see Zenos) and "honored memorial" (see Haurchefant), but either way, it's a grave.

Of course, unless it becomes a plot point, we'll never see it anyway. (Did she even leave a body to bury? I forget, but Ysayle and Thordan faded into aether after they died as primals.)

[Iscah]

While it's important that Yotsuyu's story is told and learned from and not forgotten, making a grave (or more likely a memorial) to her in the city would be the wrong approach. In time the people might be ready to hear it and regard her with pity, but for now it would be a reminder of those still-raw memories of suffering - every bit as much as the watchtower they've chosen to tear down.

And talking of memorials....

There's a difference between "burial to put a body in the ground" (see Zenos) and "honored memorial" (see Haurchefant), but either way, it's a grave.

Haurchefant's memorial actually isn't a grave either, at least as we'd define it - his body isn't buried there. (It's not pointed out, but Corentiaux at Camp Dragonhead mentions it if you talk to him.) Which seemed an odd thing, particularly as the pre-existing stone cairns are referred to as a graveyard in one of the dragoon quests, but the question got brought up in a Korean Q&A a few weeks back and the answer is rather lovely.

Discussion thread: http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...A-with-Yoshida
Document link: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1...ClxamIIE64ca0/

Q: Apparently Haurchefant’s body is not buried under his monument. Where exactly is he?

[Yoshida]: To answer this, we probably have to ask the FFXIV lore team. My simple answer is that Haurchefant is part of lineage of Fortemps and I’m sure he was buried with other great peoples of Fortemps.

Within Final Fantasy XIV lore, they do not share the same idea of body in between life and death. Lore-wise, there is the existence of Aether. The reason why warrior of light placed the monument along with shield and flowers in Coerthas Central Highlands was probably because he/she wished Haurchefant’s aetherial being would be able to visit the viewpoint where Ishgard can be seen the best.

We believe a soul, if exists, wouldn’t really be mattered to be connected to where body would be at.

So (unless the lore team have a different answer), graves are not necessarily physical but "where the person would want to be".

Which I suppose comes back to the question of Yotsuyu - would she even want to be in Doma?

[Dualgunner]

While it's important that Yotsuyu's story is told and learned from and not forgotten, making a grave (or more likely a memorial) to her in the city would be the wrong approach. In time the people might be ready to hear it and regard her with pity, but for now it would be a reminder of those still-raw memories of suffering - every bit as much as the watchtower they've chosen to tear down.

And talking of memorials....



Haurchefant's memorial actually isn't a grave either, at least as we'd define it - his body isn't buried there. (It's not pointed out, but Corentiaux at Camp Dragonhead mentions it if you talk to him.) Which seemed an odd thing, particularly as the pre-existing stone cairns are referred to as a graveyard in one of the dragoon quests, but the question got brought up in a Korean Q&A a few weeks back and the answer is rather lovely.

Discussion thread: http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...A-with-Yoshida
Document link: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1...ClxamIIE64ca0/



So (unless the lore team have a different answer), graves are not necessarily physical but "where the person would want to be".

Which I suppose comes back to the question of Yotsuyu - would she even want to be in Doma?

This makes me think about Samurai spoilers:

Musosai was buried with his katana by the Silver Bazaar overlooking the ocean; a place he would have the best view of the ocean.